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Old 19th January 2015, 18:47   #31
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A friend is looking to upgrade his WagonR Lxi CNG from the current 145/80 R13.

What is the recommended upgrade option for better grip?

He is running steel rims and does not plan to change them.
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A friend is looking to upgrade his WagonR Lxi CNG from the current 145/80 R13.

What is the recommended upgrade option for better grip?

He is running steel rims and does not plan to change them.
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Current: 145/80 R13

Upsize 1: 155/65 R14

Upsize 2: 165/80 R14

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Upsize 1: This is what is found in VXi model of the WagonR.

Upsize 2: This is given in Ritz L & V models. Though I am not sure of the upsize 2 is the right option you can get an opinion from the experts here.
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Default Budget Alloy wheels + tubeless tyres for Wagon R

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Current: 145/80 R13



Upsize 1: 155/65 R14



Upsize 2: 165/80 R14



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Upsize 1: This is what is found in VXi model of the WagonR.



Upsize 2: This is given in Ritz L & V models. Though I am not sure of the upsize 2 is the right option you can get an opinion from the experts here.


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A friend is looking to upgrade his WagonR Lxi CNG from the current 145/80 R13.

What is the recommended upgrade option for better grip?

He is running steel rims and does not plan to change them.
The owner doesn't plan to change the rims so 14" are out of the question and 165/80 r14 will anyways scrape the sidewall. My 175/60 r13 also touches the sidewall and I wouldn't recommend both these sizes.
165/65 r13 is fine as one of my friend has it on his wagon r though he has them on alloys.
However I'd recommend 155/65 r13 as the owner won't be changing the rims thus preventing the tyre from bulging out.

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For Tyre:

Current: 145/80 R13

Upsize 1: 155/65 R14

Upsize 2: 165/80 R14

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Are you sure on the 165/80/14 Part?

Not only you are increasing the width from 145 to 165 but at the same time keeping the aspect ratio percentage same in both cases (80).

This will ensure a huge difference in the sidewall even if you retain the same diameter of 13".

With an increase in Diameter to 14", the difference will be huge unless there is a proportionate decrease in aspect ratio (say 55 or 60 in case of 165).

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Are you sure on the 165/80/14 Part?
The figures have been taken from Maruti Suzuki website if the respective cars.

I was not sure of the dimensions hence referred Maruti Suzuki itself.
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The figures have been taken from Maruti Suzuki website if the respective cars.

I was not sure of the dimensions hence referred Maruti Suzuki itself.
That's OK but even if the website is ignored and we use the simple calculation to arrive at the overall circumference of the tire, 145/80/13 Vs 165/80/14 wont make sense for an ideal upgrade at all unless one is OK to live with a lot of speedometer (and hence Odometer error).

And then, we also need to consider the RIM size - 4J, 4.5J, 5J which will matter if one wants to effectively utilize a wider tire's footprint.

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A friend is looking to upgrade his WagonR Lxi CNG from the current 145/80 R13.

What is the recommended upgrade option for better grip?

He is running steel rims and does not plan to change them.
The correct upgrades from current tyre are
1. 155/75 R13
2. 165/70 R13

Out of these you most likely will get 165/70 R13 in the market (Appollo?)
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The correct upgrades from current tyre are
1. 155/75 R13
2. 165/70 R13

Out of these you most likely will get 165/70 R13 in the market (Appollo?)
I have only come across 145/70, 155/65 & 165/60 (Bridgestone only for this last one) in the market.

Do you even get anything with 155/75 at all?

165/70 too is a huge gamble to find in any tire shop.

May be I am wrong.
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The correct upgrades from current tyre are
1. 155/75 R13
2. 165/70 R13

Out of these you most likely will get 165/70 R13 in the market (Appollo?)
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I have only come across 145/70, 155/65 & 165/60 (Bridgestone only for this last one) in the market.

Do you even get anything with 155/75 at all?

165/70 too is a huge gamble to find in any tire shop.

May be I am wrong.
Aye sir! Only Apollo offers the Amazer XL in that size. This problem was faced when my cousins WagonR LXi needed a tyre change as well as an upgrade, same case keeping the same rims. However, having no suitable options, he ditched the idea and the same size was retained.

Second issue with WagonR is the possibility of upgrade is very bleak. And moreover, having the Vxi with me, I can assure you that the LXi with the higher profile rides softer on bumps compared to my car. Hence if anyone is looking towards a rim upgrade, then do keep in mind that the ride gets a tad harsher, if not bumpy. Also the rim is prone to bends if you ride on rough roads frequently.

Also, I guess the rim is 4-4.5J and the 145 section tyres on the LXi looks to be a proper fit. Anything more might be an issue. IMHO, please advise your friend to think before the upgrade.

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For Tyre:

Current: 145/80 R13

Upsize 1: 155/65 R14

Upsize 2: 165/80 R14


Upsize 2: This is given in Ritz L & V models. Though I am not sure of the upsize 2 is the right option you can get an opinion from the experts here.
Sorry to nitpick my friend, the Ritz can accomodate bigger tyres, same which wont fit into the WagonR in any way. And technically, the 14 inch tyre wont fit on the WagonR's 13 inch rim.
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Aye sir! Only Apollo offers the Amazer XL in that size. This problem was faced when my cousins WagonR LXi needed a tyre change as well as an upgrade, same case keeping the same rims. However, having no suitable options, he ditched the idea and the same size was retained.
This is exactly the reason 155/65 becomes the most suitable upgrade. WagonR like you said is definitely not a friendly car when it comes to tire upsize. This is the fourth set running on my WagonR and thats 155/65/13 while the stock was 145/70/13 (Lxi).

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Second issue with WagonR is the possibility of upgrade is very bleak. And moreover, having the Vxi with me, I can assure you that the LXi with the higher profile rides softer on bumps compared to my car. Hence if anyone is looking towards a rim upgrade, then do keep in mind that the ride gets a tad harsher, if not bumpy. Also the rim is prone to bends if you ride on rough roads frequently.
In my WagonR, I graduated from JK stock to Bridgestones and then to Michelin XM1+ and XM2. There is certainly a huge difference in ride offered in Michelins vs Bridgestone S232 (IIRC) which were hard anyways.

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Also, I guess the rim is 4-4.5J and the 145 section tyres on the LXi looks to be a proper fit. Anything more might be an issue. IMHO, please advise your friend to think before the upgrade.
The Rim width is the biggest predicament. Alloys won't come anything below 5J.

LXi comes with 4J while VXis with 4.5J as stock.

Add to that the offset in the aftermarket alloys which will make the Rim protrude almost out of the wheel arches resulting in tires rubbing the arches on full load and undulations.

My WagonR has a 5J (Plati) Alloy that is supported by 1inch spacers on the suspension coils so that it doesn't rub the wheel arches, which it was before. Hence, I am too wary of advising after market alloys for the WagonR unless properly tried and tested. Sadly, Aura that supplied OE alloys to MSIL for the WagonR doesn't manufacture anything less than 5J too!

Just notice the encircled part and see how the tires on aftermarket alloys are protruding few mm out of the wheel arches on both sides:

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Sorry to nitpick my friend, the Ritz can accomodate bigger tyres, same which wont fit into the WagonR in any way. And technically, the 14 inch tyre wont fit on the WagonR's 13 inch rim.
Even if the WagonR welcomes the 14" Rims(where stock is 13), one will have to seriously reduce the aspect ratio leading to very low profile tires!

145/70 looked a little meaty, 155/65 less meaty and then when you further plonk a 14" Rim and want to ensure the same overall circumference, you may have to just run the car on Rims alone .

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Even if the WagonR welcomes the 14" Rims(where stock is 13), one will have to seriously reduce the aspect ratio leading to very low profile tires!

145/70 looked a little meaty, 155/65 less meaty and then when you further plonk a 14" Rim and want to ensure the same overall circumference, you may have to just run the car on Rims alone .
That's the case with my car. Runs on 155/65/14. The rim is prone to hits and thankfully there was only a single bend noticed till date. Now I cant even use a wider tyre since the tyre profile will reduce to 60 or 55 which I think is unsuitable for our roads. Thinking of getting the stingray alloys which look good and is a perfect match for this car.
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Overwhelming response, guys!

Looks like there are many options to upgrade from.
Do note that the this Wagon R Lxi is the one with CNG.
I am not sure if the extra weight required different rim size and tyre size, but the regular Wagon R uses R14.
I don't know if it was just cost or some other technical reason why Maruti chose to have different tyre specifications for CNG and non-CNG variants.


Edit: After re-reading the above comments:
1. Do note that some of you have been using Wagon R Lxi with 145/70 R13. However Maruti changed over to 145/80 R13 for Lxi CNG. I am not sure why they did it.
2. Rim is prone to getting bent even on slightly hard hit - confirmed with my friend who has faced this issue even with stock 145/80/R13. Not sure why this happens.
3. Safest upgrade then is 155/65R13

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Hi there,,,

Can any one advice over this..

Looking at Yokohama 185/55R14 for replacing my stock 155/65R14 on Stingray Vxi 2015

Is it feasible?
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Hi there,,,

Can any one advice over this..

Looking at Yokohama 185/55R14 for replacing my stock 155/65R14 on Stingray Vxi 2015

Is it feasible?
185 would be a huge overkill for the WagonR, IMO. First of all, the 3 over-size wide wheel on stock alloys will lead to a lot of flex and lead to bad handling. It could scrap the front inner wheel wells while turning. The 1.0L engine will feel strained while pulling those wheels (due to a greater contact area). Lastly, the tires protruding out will spray a lot of mud/dirt on the side body and will be a pain to maintain on a regular basis.

I was contemplating upgrading from 155/65R14 to 175/55R14 wheels but thought 175 might be too much. Finally got 165/65R14 Yoko Earth-1s (on stock steel wheels) for my WagonR VXi and driven close to 10k kms. I am pretty happy with the tire size and performance. I felt the drivability/acceleration to be 5-10% dulled but have grown accustomed to it now probably. There is no wheel-well scrapping at full turn or overloaded car. There is slightly more mud spray on the doors (yes, at one oversize itself) but it is manageable.
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