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Old 6th September 2013, 09:27   #46
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Please find the Lucas trafficators
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Please find the Lucas trafficators
Fantastic thread, Only if you could have backed it up with its availability in the present day, it would have helped immensely.

Anyone can throw in some inputs on their Availability.?

I need a pair of SE62.
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Semaphore indicators was there in most British cars till 1960.
The common makes are LUCAS TRICO ,SWF etc. SF80 Lucas is the one which comes in morris, austin wolseley riley car. availability - I got a pair of Lucas oreginal SF80 12 volts ones from a parts shop in a place called Punalur in Kerala 4/5 years ago. 2 pairs were there and both were in oreginal packing and the other one was taken by a fellow bhpian from Kolkota . Hear that lot of 6volt sempahores are available in DELHI still. But 12volt is rare as demand is more
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Semaphores were indeed seen on many British cars, even Bentleys had them. Depended on the coach builder whether he fitted them. But these were seen in other European nations as well. Early Beetles had them. In the Indian replacement market many Czech Semaphores were found, maybe they were cheaper. We all know that our traders were good at economic sourcing.
Semaphores were also added as an accessory, often mounted on windshield pillars, or on the body near the windshield with brackets. I have seen Mercs 170V fitted with them.
Today they are in peril when fitted, the public often breaks them when they try to pull out the indicator to see what it is all about.
These were also fitted on trucks, these were substancially bigger.
The Semaphores without a housing were meant to be fitted into the body of the car, like Amby, Landmaster, Beetle, those with a housing either painted black or with chrome finish were for external mounting as an accessory.

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Semaphores were indeed seen on many British cars, even Bentleys had them. Depended on the coach builder whether he fitted them. But these were seen in other European nations as well. Early Beetles had them. In the Indian replacement market many Czech Semaphores were found, maybe they were cheaper. We all know that our traders were good at economic sourcing.
Semaphores were also added as an accessory, often mounted on windshield pillars, or on the body near the windshield with brackets. I have seen Mercs 170V fitted with them.
Today they are in peril when fitted, the public often breaks them when they try to pull out the indicator to see what it is all about.
These were also fitted on trucks, these were substancially bigger.
The Semaphores without a housing were meant to be fitted into the body of the car, like Amby, Landmaster, Beetle, those with a housing either painted black or with chrome finish were for external mounting as an accessory.

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Yes haritji, you are right about the Czechoslovakian Semaphores.They were available in plenty till about 2 years ago.The advantage was they were 12 volts and available with housings so could be fitted to the body.
But they will not fit ambassador ,landmaster,morris minor unless you make some alterations in the slot in the B pillar.They were available for as low as Rs.1500 a pair a few years ago. Brand was ''PREMIER ''or so
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Does the Morris tourer had semaphore trafficators ?
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Does the Morris tourer had semaphore trafficators ?
Why the doubt Foby,All morris cars including tourers had trafficators till 1960 or so
By the way here is a short buyers guide for Trafficators(courtesy jimmy from australia)
1. New in box or known as new /Lucas Remanufactured … This classification is for remade ones of the extremely high Lucas standard, they are nearly always in a box to show that… the entire unit was totally replaced by Lucas except the frame, even the slug and solenoid.

2.Other remanufactured…. there are other remanufactured ones… all have super clean/new solenoids and reset/new slugs, the body is usually blasted. Obviously they have genuine Lucas NOS lens and NOS chrome.
3.Exceptional … This classification is for units that are exceptional, but are not known to be remanufactured. They will always have NOS Lucas lens and NOS chrome top covers.
4.Good/Average …. This classification is for units that are of good or average condition. They will always work (obviously), and will tend to have old-school lenses… all parts will aesthetically present at 90% +, ie any kinks in metal cover would be very minor, the lens may have a tiny 1mm chip right on an edge, there may be cleaned surface rust on the frame. They are superior to budget in many small ways.
5.Budget…. This classification is the lowest, but is still way above many pot-luck ones you will try to buy. These always work. These are just trafficators that work well and allow you to spend money on other items. The trafficators only pop up and down as a novelty and maybe you don’t want expensive perfection. These MAY have SOME of the following. They may use modern lens’, they may use old lens’ with hairline cracks, they may use chrome covers with kinks or dents or pin-rust, The slug may be worn, the frame may have rust on it that has been brushed, the wires may be repaired.The point is they will work straight away, will be quite acceptable for their “brief appearance” . These are “budget”.
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In the pictures below the groove is in between the pillars as its used to be, but for the tourer I can see two indicator lamps adjacent to tail lamps is that aftermarket ? And the trafficators are missing for tourer?

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Please note the turn indicators adjacent to tail lamp , is that a standard fitting ?
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Does the Morris tourer had semaphore trafficators ?
I have seen the following mounting (behind door, below beltline) on many 2-Doors and Convertibles. Do not know if this was limited to certain series or years.

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Yes haritji, you are right about the Czechoslovakian Semaphores.

Brand was ''PREMIER ''or so
Maybe the brand was 'PAL'. I remember seeing many Czech electric items branded PAL, and earlier would confuse them with Premier Auto.
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I have seen the following mounting (behind door, below beltline) on many 2-Doors and Convertibles. Do not know if this was limited to certain series or years.

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My 1948 Hillman Convertible also has the trafficator in the same location behind the door
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My 1948 Hillman Convertible also has the trafficator in the same location behind the door
Thanks shivraj88 , could you post some detailed snaps ?
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A Photograph of my Hillman DHC with the Trafficator encircled

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We always associate Morris, Wolseleys etc but even some top end cars convertibles had the trafficators behind the door.

Here is one of the top collectible car in India, sporting a trafficator behind the door. Taken from DKG's post 17 in the 1st Cartier Thread, the beautiful 1934 Derby Bentley

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In the pictures below the groove is in between the pillars as its used to be, but for the tourer I can see two indicator lamps adjacent to tail lamps is that aftermarket ? And the trafficators are missing for tourer?

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Please note the turn indicators adjacent to tail lamp , is that a standard fitting ?
To the best of my info the Semaphores in Morris minor tourers came in the lower portion of the B pillar .Only in the sedan it came in the upper part of the B pillar as in KLP-1950.Is this an original tourer or is it a 2 door sedan converted to tourer?
That is called a side indicator and is not even a standard accessory in british cars.
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