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Old 7th January 2012, 17:46   #31
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To all Calcutta vintage/classic car fans a suggestion.Stop thinking of prizes and just enjoy your cars.Sadly over the years the movement has begun to be dominated by restorers/traders who clamour for prizes and the very next day offer their PRIZE WINNERS for sale...I have not come across a single judge who is knowledgeable about all the models that come to be judged.And I agree that once a particular car has been awarded a prize that car should not be given a prize at least in the same category for say three years.Best would be a momento to all participants and no prizes.But then these are just an old timers rambles.
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John, totally apt! Bulldogji, I think you are a bit off here, sorry no offense meant,..............
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HI Adkol,....I believe we can put together an all india panel of judges and select from amongst them by rotation........
From the posts I gather that there is misunderstanding amongs us. What is desired by most of us is that any vintage event is held in a fair manner by competent people who have the interest of the movement at heart and do not play politics. The results should be based on merits, decisions are collectively taken, and there should be transparency. Every club and event will have some disatisfied members, but when teamwork is involved this can be vastly reduced. Unfortunately many events are a one man show, judging is also a one man show, and this ends up like a dictatorship, bad for the masses, happy happy for the priviliged.

I have personally seen and experienced unfair judging in bad events, I have heard judges giving their biased views on cars restored by their competitors, I have seen prizes going to the undeserving. In VCCCI events this is so blatent, there are people who demand prizes, we can prepare a list before an event to say who will get a prize, just the category has to be "adjusted". But a prize the "priviliged" must get.

Bulldogji, as you know I sometimes bring my car to events unwashed, I don't send my car the day before for judging because I have once lost to a Ford T on motorcycle wheels. That does not mean that I do not come for an event, I do not try to get prizes and attend for the fun and to be among the enthusiasts. But does that mean that these practices should go on? Not at all. And you have seen what high handedness can do, the disaster of the last Cartier event speaks for itself. It is very apt of people like MBZ 180 to comment on this, he does not intent to run his club/event or to become a judge, but being a participant he is within his rights to comment on the rubbish being practiced all along, amateurish events held by immature power hungry people resulting in no good for the movement. The next Mumbai event is rumoured to be held on 4th and 5th of February, why should it be rumored, is there no sponsor who would beat his drums for the event a month in advance? Are the organisers guarding a closely held secret?

The disatisfaction has nothing to do with winning prizes, just the way clubs and events are run.

The judging in Kolkata must be over by now, lets hear in the next days how things went.

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Just came back from the rally,my first time there.Nice turn out,but unfortunately as i reached there,my camera decided not to work today!

Day started was cold and rainy but soon the sun came up as the beauties started coming to the venue.
Was nice meeting Mbz180 who came with his citroen and John Milne,with his evergreen(or should i say blue) Fiat.Other than me Tbhpains Shamik.bose and Sgchaudhuri were also there.Hope they will post the pics soon.
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Baah! You should have checked before setting out!! I was really expecting a lovely set of pictures from you as I knew you would be there.

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Just came back from the rally,my first time there.Nice turn out,but unfortunately as i reached there,my camera decided not to work today!

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Baah! You should have checked before setting out!! I was really expecting a lovely set of pictures from you as I knew you would be there.
I charged it fully,but something wrong with the sensor,it shut itself of and would not budge anymore.:(

Shamik bose is already posting pics in facebook will tell him to do here also.

Of the new cars,there was an absolutely immaculate Triumph Spitfire which was a new entrant,and also a Rolls Royce Silver Wreath is expected to come tomorrow.
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Here are some of the pictures that Avishar and myself clicked at the Statesman VCCR. Not mentioning the cars' names as most of you here would be more than familiar with quite a few of them. Enjoy
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Sparky has come our rescue and will try and resize my photos and post ASAP.

Spent too much time meeting and talking to some attendees and should have "focused" on taking more photos as I missed a lot of the cars and taking detail
shots..... maybe tomorrow or there is always Next Year.

Some nice shots, thanks for wetting all our appetites, should be lots more to come!
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Pics that were take by Mr. John Milne today at the event. I am putting them up on his behalf as he was having trouble uploading them.


Here is the first batch of pictures which includes some general photographs of the event and some of the cars that were standing in groups.
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Second batch of Mr. John Milne's photographs are attached in this post which include some of the new entries this year like adkol(Mr. Adhir Kohli) Citroen restored and brought by MBZ180 a.k.a Mr. Prithvi Tagore maybe we could all request him to start a thread to show the restoration work that he has carried out?, Mr. Shrivardhan Kanoria's 1959 Volkswagen Beetle 36HP, Mr. Aggarwal's Citroen restored by Mr. Shrivardhan Kanoria, Mr. Sanjay Ghosh's Triumph which i believe is from Bombay, any pics of the car before it came to calcutta? A Morris Minor Low light don't know the owner and a norton Bike done in the old military style.
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Here is the third batch of Mr. Milne's photographs. This lot includes the cars that had appeared for judging and he clicked pictures of. The Mercedes Benz 130H has made an appearance this year after a gap of a year.
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Last batch of photo graphs which includes some pics of the cars that i was not able to post in my last post thanks to the limit of 30 images.
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The Rover P5 looks superb, completely different from what it was before. The Bug (Delhi) looks good too.

Can anyone tell me whether the 'GB' logo on the MM boot is original or not.
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Here is the third batch of Mr. Milne's photographs. This lot includes the cars that had appeared for judging and he clicked pictures of. The Mercedes Benz 130H has made an appearance this year after a gap of a year.
John, Indrojit, thanks for the great pictures - would you be able to post them full size ?

Pardon my ignorance, but is UPK-99 a La Salle; and what is its provenance ? Cheers
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John, Indrojit, thanks for the great pictures - would you be able to post them full size ?


Pardon my ignorance, but is UPK-99 a La Salle; and what is its provenance ? Cheers
Hi,

That's a Chevrolet and not a La Salle. Check last year's statesman thread there would be more pics of the car. The car belongs to Mr. Shrivardhan Kanoria.

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John, Indrojit, thanks for the great pictures - would you be able to post them full size ?

Pardon my ignorance, but is UPK-99 a La Salle; and what is its provenance ? Cheers
I think UPK 99 is actually a Chevy Phaeton.

Great job with the pictures Johan and Sparky !

A few questions.

1. What car si BRT 1127, the grey and black sedan?
2. Is WBA 2154 a Wanderer ?
3. wasn't the blue "ORC" Citroen red earlier ? with that controvercial Klaxon bell horn ?

What cars did you enter Sparky ? What new cars were to be seen this year ?

Does the Choudhry La Salle ever show up for this event ?

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I think UPK 99 is actually a Chevy Phaeton.

Great job with the pictures Johan and Sparky !

A few questions.

1. What car si BRT 1127, the grey and black sedan?
2. Is WBA 2154 a Wanderer ?
3. wasn't the blue "ORC" Citroen red earlier ? with that controvercial Klaxon bell horn ?

What cars did you enter Sparky ? What new cars were to be seen this year ?

Does the Choudhry La Salle ever show up for this event ?

Red and black car WBA 2154 is an Adler Junior.
Grey and black sedan is a 33/34 chevy.

ORC is recently restored by Mr. Kanoria.

I didn't enter anything nor did attend the event.

UPK 99 is a 29 chevy.

Mr. Chowdhry doesn't participate in statesman anymore although he has the largest collection vintage and classic cars perhaps.

New cars were -

1). Buick tourer
2). Citroen traction avant 15/6
3). Morris minor low light
4). Austin 10
5). Triumph spitfire ex bombay

There woulde be more I am sure.

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