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Old 21st August 2012, 11:04   #76
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Thanks KPS, So , the little bird that tweeted me about the Mewar 20 HP being rewarded was correct. Congratulations to our Maharana with the most public face in the Indian Media. Hats off also to the wonderful effort made by Rajkot and Doc. They may not have returned with prizes, but with wonderful memories which will last a lifetime. I hope KPS, you can persuade Doc to give us a small talk on his experiences? And invite non members of your club to listen in ?
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Thanks KPS, So , the little bird that tweeted me about the Mewar 20 HP being rewarded was correct.
This is what Bulldogji is talking about: Lucius Beebe Trophy:
1924 Rolls-Royce 20 HP Barker Tourer, Arvind Singh Mewar, Maharana of Udaipur, Rajasthan, India

Travancore is looking for tigers, he'll find them on the golf course

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Nice pictures, looks like the turnout of "indian" cars was quiet well....looking forward to more detailed pictures of all the cars especially the Duessy !
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This is what Bulldogji is talking about: Lucius Beebe Trophy:
1924 Rolls-Royce 20 HP Barker Tourer, Arvind Singh Mewar, Maharana of Udaipur, Rajasthan, India

Travancore is looking for tigers, he'll find them on the golf course

Cheers harit
According to the Program Brochure:

"Lucius Beebe Trophy: Sponsored by Rolls-Royce, is awarded to the Rolls-Royce considered most in the tradition of Lucius Beebe, a bon vivant who served among our early judges".

Well done Mewar!

Travancore wasn't looking for "Tigers on the Golf Course".........the PI was!

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According to the Program Brochure:

"Lucius Beebe Trophy: Sponsored by Rolls-Royce, is awarded to the Rolls-Royce considered most in the tradition of Lucius Beebe, a bon vivant who served among our early judges".

Well done Mewar!

Travancore wasn't looking for "Tigers on the Golf Course".........the PI was!
where are the rest of the pictures ????? Really eager to see the Duesenberg from all angles.

Any idea where it gets that reg plate from ? os t it an Indian plate ?

Wouldnt it have been great if the general had also got the Orcha v16 along for th display too !
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where are the rest of the pictures ????? Really eager to see the Duesenberg from all angles.

Any idea where it gets that reg plate from ? os t it an Indian plate ?

Wouldnt it have been great if the general had also got the Orcha v16 along for th display too !
Hi Wasif:
That (Duesenberg) is one car that is so photographed, I did not spend much time time on it. Will post as soon as I get my brother's pictures.

"CUW-109" was the car's original U.K. registration. Many cars were licensed in England, before they came over.

The Duesenberg came to India via Holkar's home in California. This is a well travelled car.....

Duesenberg, Indiana (chassis);
shipped to Gurney Nutting, U.K. (body);
shipped to New York (finished car);
driven overland to California (believe it was with the Alfa 2900B in California);
shipped to India!

I wish the General had brought along his other Duessey (Berar)
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That (Duesenberg) is one car that is so photographed, I did not spend much time time on it. Will post as soon as I get my brother's pictures.

"CUW-109" was the car's original U.K. registration. Many cars were licensed in England, before they came over.

The Duesenberg came to India via Holkar's home in California. This is a well travelled car.....

Duesenberg, Indiana (chassis);
shipped to Gurney Nutting, U.K. (body);
shipped to New York (finished car);
driven overland to California (believe it was with the Alfa 2900B in California);
shipped to India!

I wish the General had brought along his other Duessey (Berar)
True..both the Dueesys and the V16 would have blown away the competition.

Pity none of the cars from India won any of the awards

I think that Duessy went from California to the far east too on its journey back to India after the war.

Possibly THE most travelled Duesenberg in history !

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Just to throw a cat among the pigeons

Which car from India do you think can win the "Best of Show" at PB??

Based on the current condition of cars, could the RR Throne Car be the top contender for this position?
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Really eager to see the Duesenberg from all angles.
Wasif, here is a site with many views of the Holkar Duesenberg

Chassis 2614, engine J-585.1935 Duesenberg Model SJ chassis information


I will upload other pictures of the car as I get them
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Just to throw a cat among the pigeons

Which car from India do you think can win the "Best of Show" at PB??

Based on the current condition of cars, could the RR Throne Car be the top contender for this position?
If I were to make an attempt, the Nizam R-R, Mahmudabad Minerva AL and Baria Stutz would be my travelling companions. If I could only take one........

I have never seen any of these cars in the flesh, so this is just one man's fantasy / opinion.
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Just to throw a cat among the pigeons

Which car from India do you think can win the "Best of Show" at PB??

Based on the current condition of cars, could the RR Throne Car be the top contender for this position?
The RR Throne car could well be one of the top contenders but it would have to be completely re restored preferably in the UK by P&A Wood or another equally competent restorer to stand any chance.

The Stutz would also have to be re done, its a presentable restoration but doesnt come close to what can be done in the US on this car.

The other serious contendors to the best of show at future PB events from India could be, in my opinion, the following.

1. Alwar Lanchester Coach car
2. Delahaye - Jodhpur
3. Daimler Double Six - Gondol


Cars that make the cut have to be exceptionally unique and such cars, though were present in India once upon a time are almost all gone now.
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If I were to make an attempt, the Nizam R-R, Mahmudabad Minerva AL and Baria Stutz would be ....
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The RR Throne car could well be one of the top contenders .............
1. Alwar Lanchester Coach car
2. Delahaye - Jodhpur
3. Daimler Double Six - Gondol
Cars that make the cut have to be exceptionally unique and such cars, though were present in India once upon a time are almost all gone now.
What is required is a wow factor. Why not the 540K ex Jackie Shroff?
If rebodied cars can come, The Kanpur Daimler and 8 Litre Bentley Roni Khan. And I would also consider Pierce Arrows, Marmon, Cadillac V8, Packard Super 8, whose ever is around. I am only talking about vehicles worthy irrespective of their condition.
My opinion is that Indian restorations are ever improving. I did not like brass on the horns of the Delage, and the shade was a bit challenging. But if it could be proved to have been exactly as per the original, then nothing against it.

I am still waiting to hear Nitin's and Manvendras speeches

I found this on the Rolls thread, a past Pebble Beach winner.

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The 540K is just a 540K when it comes to cars at PB level there has to be serious WOW factor, not just ANY 540 or Packard Super or Marmon or Daimer or even Bentley will do.

Yes, Indian restoration standards are seriously improving but they are still hampered by the non availability of specialists and dedicated part vendors that are available in the west

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There are cars here in India and also some which definetly will draw attention like the Jodhpur Rolls, ORM registered Silver ghost of the last Cartier, The mysterious V 16 , So many cars of Doc and Titus and the list can go on. We have worthy contenders.

And on restoration standards what I would like to suggest is there are lots of collectors who have are, and have got cars restored abroad and by advisors who are flying down and getting it done here, BUT WHY NOT SHARE WITH OTHERS THE LEARNINGS

Now the new race will be on to enter Pebble Beach !

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What is required is a wow factor. Why not the 540K ex Jackie Shroff?
If rebodied cars can come, The Kanpur Daimler and 8 Litre Bentley Roni Khan. And I would also consider Pierce Arrows, Marmon, Cadillac V8, Packard Super 8, whose ever is around. I am only talking about vehicles worthy irrespective of their condition.
My opinion is that Indian restorations are ever improving. I did not like brass on the horns of the Delage, and the shade was a bit challenging. But if it could be proved to have been exactly as per the original, then nothing against it.

I am still waiting to hear Nitin's and Manvendras speeches

I found this on the Rolls thread, a past Pebble Beach winner.

Cheers harit

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A Pebble Beach contender, has a long way to go, but will be outstanding!

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