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Old 9th May 2014, 01:46   #76
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First let me clarify. I got in a car, but, not under the new regulations.Second, once a car is cleared thru customs legally, RTO will register them,Rto cannot refuse. I think unecessary fuss is being made. Let me ask. Do all heritage cars here have current valid documents?Do all heritage cars here pass emission tests? Some unrestored cars in India do not even have a license plate, leave alone the book.RTO is a state department & they should register it, even if it is LHD, though LHD is not permitted for import
Thank you for clarifying. In post 65, you quoted a post that specifically mentioned the new regulations

Now that you say you did not import a car under the new regulations might I ask why the post was quoted? It clearly implied that your import was under this regulation, in fact this thread only deals with the new rule.

With respect, you confused us. If you did not import under this rule, you should neither have quoted nor in fact posted in this thread!

Can you please let us know under what rule or scheme you brought in a car and the duty paid ?

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Tracked one from www.zauba.com

22-Jan-2014
*7033391 USED CADILLAC CAR 62 SERIES YOM-1947CHASIS NO.6422173C.C.5670[REGN UNDR NON-TRANSPORT CAT.]FOR VINTAGE CAR RALLIES ONLY] United States Nhava Sheva Sea UNT 1
Value Rs 716,644
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1. 27-Nov-2013 USED CADILLAC CAR, 4 DOOR SEDAN United States Bombay Sea NOS 1 Value Rs 241,605

2. 25-Apr-2014 VINTAGE CAR CADILLAC 4 DOOR 1938 MODEL-9029 VIN-12 CC-7200 United States Bombay Sea UNT 1 Value Rs 2,174,545

3. 25-Apr-2014 VINTAGE CAR CADILLAC 4D 1941 VIN 6343032 CC-5600 United States Bombay Sea UNT 1 Rs. 755,697

4.25-Apr-2014 VINTAGE CAR CADILLAC MODEL SERIES 61 1949 VIN-496190378 CC- 5400 United States Bombay Sea UNT 1 Rs. 547,289

Looks like no. 2,3 & 4 were brought in by one individual .

5. 5-May-2014 USED ROLLS ROYCE 20/25 OWNER DRIVER SPORTS SALOON CH.NO.GWX1Y.O.M.1933 CAR WD NOT PLY ON PUBLIC ROAD NOT REG.UNDER CMVR United States Nhava Sheva Sea UNT 1 Rs. 1,029,913

6. 14-Nov-2013 VINTAGE CAR MODEL-1933 , AUSTIN 20 , ENGINE NO 5296 , CHASIS NO 5106 United Kingdom Bombay Sea UNT 1 631,743



Some points ,For rolls Royce it explicitly states car will not ply on public roads, so basically these cars cannot be registered as experts had earlier pointed out.

Valuations are decent except for no. 2 which is over 20 Lakhs , now the process of valuation is something I don't understand, if the valuations were based on the original value , less depreciations , then should they run into 6 figures, or maybe some portion of the current purchase price or maybe freight is considered for valuation.

About the duty structure , here are the details :

Customs Import Duty of rolls royce vintage car: Of a cylinder capacity exceeding 3000 cc: Motor cars
Description Duty
Basic Duty 125.00
Education Cess 2.00
Secondary Hiigher Education Cess 1.00
Contravailing Duty (CVD) 30.00
Additional Contravailing Duty 4.00
Additional Cess 0.13
National Calamity Contigent Duty (NCCD) 1.00
Abatement 0.00
Total Duty 213.00
( though this doesn't add up to 213 , this is what is mentioned for all cars imported in pre 1950 category )

This clears many doubts, except for valuations.
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Can you please let us know under what rule or scheme you brought in a car and the duty paid ?

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Transfer of Residence. There is no other way to import a used car in the country. (Other than R&D, but that won't be possible in the case of a vintage car)
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Transfer of Residence. There is no other way to import a used car in the country. (Other than R&D, but that won't be possible in the case of a vintage car)
Thanks!

It would however have been better had Ananth answered because I was quoting his post with my query. He has brought in a car, not under this regulation, would be nice to know how and the duty structure first hand, from as the saying goes, The Horses Mouth.

I am given to understand that there is an age limit for cars to come under TR.

otherwise many vintage cars could , and would, have come in years ago.

So there must be another legal route that some of us are unaware of, therefore the request to Ananth to share , of course he is within his rights to keep silent
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More details from the same source. ( I think these details are in the public domain so it is okay to share, incase it is inappropriate please remove the post, only intention of posting here is to shed for more light )


Customs Import Duty of rolls royce vintage car: Of a cylinder capacity exceeding 3000 cc: Motor cars
Description Duty
Basic Duty 125.00
Education Cess 2.00
Secondary Hiigher Education Cess 1.00
Contravailing Duty (CVD) 30.00
Additional Contravailing Duty 4.00
Additional Cess 0.13
National Calamity Contigent Duty (NCCD) 1.00
Abatement 0.00
Total Duty 213.00
( though this doesn't add up to 213 , this is what is mentioned for all cars imported in pre 1950 category )

This clears many doubts, except for valuations.
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In addition to the above there will be fine & penalty if you do not have an IEC. Fine starts from Rs.5000/- & Penalty starts at 25% of the declared cost. This is from my experience in 2009 when I imported a vintage motorcycle. I do am having problem registering this motorcycle still
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In addition to the above there will be fine & penalty if you do not have an IEC.
Pardon my ignorance- IEC = Import Export C---??
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So nothing exotic has landed up in India then via this route ? I was thinking with he money there we would see some beauties like SS Merc, Benlteys etc showing up, maybe a Miura or two, GT40, Cobra , Ferrari ?
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So nothing exotic has landed up in India then via this route ? I was thinking with he money there we would see some beauties like SS Merc, Benlteys etc showing up, maybe a Miura or two, GT40, Cobra , Ferrari ?
The rule is for imports of cars manufactured before 1950.

Miura, Cobra and GT40 started production in the 60s.

Ferrari was founded in 1947 and getting a pre-1950 Ferrari to India will cost you the equivalent of buying a tiny private island.

I don't know about Mercedes SS/SSK, but 2 Bentleys have arrived with the Napier.
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I don't know about Mercedes SS/SSK, but 2 Bentleys have arrived with the Napier.
The Napier has come under TR on 31st May 2012 as below

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USED NAPIER MOTOR CAR RHD REG NO.D2601 CHASSIS NO.853 UNDER TRANSFER OF RESIDENCE
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Found this too on Zauba. Doesn't look like a transfer of residence though.
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Found this too on Zauba. Doesn't look like a transfer of residence though.
Has come in under the new regulations AFAIK
Will be only displayed and driven during shows and rallies, as mentioned in the description.
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The rule is for imports of cars manufactured before 1950.

Miura, Cobra and GT40 started production in the 60s.

Ferrari was founded in 1947 and getting a pre-1950 Ferrari to India will cost you the equivalent of buying a tiny private island.

I don't know about Mercedes SS/SSK, but 2 Bentleys have arrived with the Napier.
That's cool, any further info on the Bentleys please ?

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Yes,legally one needs valid dicuments to use a car.What happens when there are no valid documents? What happens if there is no liceence plate itself? RTO laws are archaic. Duplictes are never issued under such circumstances. Then one is back to the wall. Use the car with some documents or with none.
As for the question, how I got the car in? One, I am not obliged to answer.Two, I made a point only to prove that once customs cleared RTO registers.
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Yes,legally one needs valid dicuments to use a car.What happens when there are no valid documents? What happens if there is no liceence plate itself? RTO laws are archaic. Duplictes are never issued under such circumstances. Then one is back to the wall. Use the car with some documents or with none.
As for the question, how I got the car in? One, I am not obliged to answer.Two, I made a point only to prove that once customs cleared RTO registers.
Please dont blame the MVI Act or rules for this.(there is no such thing as RTO rules). Do you mean to say that the MVD should issue duplicates to cars which the registration number is not even known? if that is allowed it will be lead to mayhem!!!
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I made a point only to prove that once customs cleared RTO registers.
Not necessarily. Anyone remembers the Toyota Land cruiser/Lexus LX470 scam in Mumbai, circa 2005 or so? Quite a lot of them were impounded after the RTO smelled something. They were cleared by the customs prior to bring impounded.

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