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Old 9th March 2010, 22:33   #2926
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thanx shyam for your support, ill need it as and when i do take up this project.

ok now an update:
the original plan was to go with my dad on sunday, but thanx to the encouragement from you guys i got a little too excited and took the metro to karol bagh today itself. i went to the place where this car stands and there sitting on the patio was an old lady. i asked her if the car blonged to her and if she'd liked to sell it. she enquired how much i was willing to pay for it and what i would do with it and and my background etc etc. after that we got talking and we talked for a few hours. needless to say she was very polite and a pleasant lady.a good thing cuz i went there prepared to face the grumpiest old fellow that could exist. she told me the last time the car was started was about 15 years back and that it belonged to her brother.she told me that a man from chennai came a few years back wanting to buy it and since the guy was persistent she directed him to her brother who lives at sainik farms. the guy was refused. now things are a little different. her brother died a year ago, she says she cant sell it so soon after his death. but she promised me that as soon as she decides to sell it(which is basically when she sells her current house, considering how old it is , its likely to be soon) i will be the one to get it. she has the keys to the car and i have been allowed liberal access to it. i told her that i wanted to start it. she told me i could. i just didnt ask her for the keys that moment cuz shes a 70 yr old arthiritis patient and i didnt want her to climbt to her 1st floor house to go and get it. so i deffered it for the next time.also i advised her to not wash it with water from now on as is the current practice and cover it and she willingly agreed. the papers of the car are with her bhabhi and she agreed to talk to her to get them for me.if any of the gurus visit delhi (shyam you in particularly) i would be happy to take you to see the car. i would like the help of a more experienced person in starting this car which has been standing for 15 years!!

a query: would it be a problem to transfer this car since the registered owner isnt alive anymore??

for gogi sir:she told me her father used to have a merc which met with an accident and was scrapped, she still has a mechanical clock from it which works fine and she has to wind it once a week to keep it going. any idea mercs from which time had this clock?? i think she would willingly let go of it(maybe even for free)ill post pics of it when i visit her next (in about 2 months)

the anglia pics will be posted soon. i need to be home during day time to go take pics of it.......during daytime

addendum: the floorboards are nonexistant so this is gonna be a body off chassis resto.the dashboard is complete..so is the interior. even the spare tyre and the fuel filler in the right place are there

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Old 9th March 2010, 23:01   #2927
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thanx shyam for your support, ill need it as and when i do take up this project.

ok now an update:
the original plan was to go with my dad on sunday, but thanx to the encouragement from you guys i got a little too excited and took the metro to karol bagh today itself. i went to the place where this car stands and there sitting on the patio was an old lady. i asked her if the car blonged to her and if she'd liked to sell it. she enquired how much i was willing to pay for it and what i would do with it and and my background etc etc. after that we got talking and we talked for a few hours.
she promised me that as soon as she decides to sell it(which is basically when she sells her current house, considering how old it is , its likely to be soon) i will be the one to get it.

a query: would it be a problem to transfer this car since the registered owner isnt alive anymore??

addendum: the floorboards are nonexistant so this is gonna be a body off chassis resto.the dashboard is complete..so is the interior. even the spare tyre and the fuel filler in the right place are there
Wow, congrats in advance(?) you lucky man!!

See, you went there with a positive expectation, so you attracted what you wanted!

I cant wait until you finally do get the car, you did the right thing in not pushing her the first time! 'must be such a relief to get the clearance from the 'owner' Keep it up! As I said, you'll have my eternal support in this regard!

Coincidentally, I too have had a similar experience just today wit ha Herald I have been longing for too- will save the details on that for some other time!

Transfer of the ownership could prove to be difficult, but not impossible as long as you have a death certificate in the name of the ex-owner and the car is registered in his name only.

Is there life-tax system in Delhi or 5-year fitness?

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umm...from wat i know you pay a one time tax when the car is new and then after the 15 year period expires you get a fitness test done every 5 years. i reckon ill have to pay a penalty for the fitness test lapse any idea how much it will be. since the owner was an army colonel , the papers must have been complete atleast upto the point till the car was running ie: 15 years ago
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i reckon ill have to pay a penalty for the fitness test lapse any idea how much it will be. since the owner was an army colonel , the papers must have been complete atleast upto the point till the car was running ie: 15 years ago
This I'm not sure of I'm afraid. Our delhi friends would know for sure.
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What French Chalk is
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@Mycarhasablower good work mate, i fear renewing papers would be a problem, Since the last updates are almost 15 years old, Coz last year we tried a lot to get papers renewed for a M800, whose papers had expired almost a year ago(read 2008).Even in that case owner was not available to get it transferred in present owners name.finally it had to be sold off for 20k to a dealer.Though example i cited is different from yours, i thought that renewal issue was similar.
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ok now an update:
Congrats MCB!Keep in touch with her, so that you'll know when its up for sale!


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DON NOT TRY TO START THE CAR! If It has not been started for 15 years, in all probability, the engine will need to be completely opened up, and reset before it will function again. Any attempts to start it before that can cause it irreparable damage.
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@agspins: I too have an 1988 800, which i intend to use as daily transport as i build a collection. Actually not really a daily transport , will prefer metro for most part, so even now its driven like thrice a month. I bought it from its previous owner 2 years ago and its fitness was never renewed, so its over due since 2003. I will be going this summer or earlier to get it transferred and the fitness thing done. In this case the owner is very much alive and happy to cooperate. Once i get it done we shall have answers regarding re-registeration of old cars atleast accorsing to delhi rules and also the cost involved.Will put the info up in the thread for rto headaches for classics.

@jayd:Thanx man for the good advice, i aint risking anything.wat do you think will need to be done when the engine is opened?? My guess would be , the installation of new liner(sleeves since the cylinder walls are likely to be corroded) new rings?? I dunno wat will i do if the head has holes in it thanx to the water of the cooling system(i dont think coolant would have been used in a herald so long ago).

Anyways i actually thought that it may not be a big deal to start it cuz i read in a thread by member tonrag in thread titled a lightning quick resto of a chevy fleetmaster , that they started the engine after 10 years without opening it and it started up just fine. but like i said i am not taking risks. What are your views??Wat do you think could be the extent of damage in the engine due to inactivity??

and guys here are the anglia pics as promised

mods: would it be possible to clear the plates of the anglia ? as unlike the herald i dint seek permission of the oner in the fords case?and forgot before posting. srry for the inconvenience
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@jayd:Thanx man for the good advice, i aint risking anything.wat do you think will need to be done when the engine is opened?? My guess would be , the installation of new liner(sleeves since the cylinder walls are likely to be corroded) new rings?? I dunno wat will i do if the head has holes in it thanx to the water of the cooling system(i dont think coolant would have been used in a herald so long ago).

Anyways i actually thought that it may not be a big deal to start it cuz i read in a thread by member tonrag in thread titled a lightning quick resto of a chevy fleetmaster , that they started the engine after 10 years without opening it and it started up just fine. but like i said i am not taking risks. What are your views??Wat do you think could be the extent of damage in the engine due to inactivity??

and guys here are the anglia pics as promised
Really nice car.

Dont fret about starting the engine after a long standstill.

I have started 3 such engines

1) 1955 MG = Parked for almost 12 yrs in a basement, took 2 hrs to start.
2) 1967 VW Beetle = Parked for more than 15 yrs, started within an hour, but underwent a complete overhaul after 3 yrs and 10000 kms.
3) 1971 VW Bus = Engine not run for almost 8 yrs, started imdtly after assembly.

In the above 2 cases, the engines had never fired. Follow the below procedures.

1) Check the starter and solenoid once.
2) Drain the existing oil.
3) Use a 200ml engine decarb with 2.5 ltrs engine oil, just crank the engine for about a minute or two.(No spark plugs in the spark plug hole)
4) Put in new spark plugs after dropping few drops of oil into the holes, and new plug cables.
5) New ignition coil
6) New Battery
7) Check the brakes
8) Fill water in the radiator
9) Clean up the carb, use upsize jets.
10) Use a electric fuel pump
11) Use a seperate fuel can.
12) Clean and adjust the points, incase use a new condenser.

With the engine decarb, dont run the car, once its fired up, let it idle for 15 mins, remember not to race the engine.

Drain the engine oil again, add fresh engine oil, add fresh gearbox oil.

By doing all the above, you can fire up and the car will be ready to drive.

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and guys here are the anglia pics as promised
This is the Anglia just like we thought when seeing your sketch. Harry Potter in his first movie actually flew in one of these.

BTW, there is another car which has a similar glass, a yank tank Mercury Monterey 1963, all of V* power and auto. In that car, the rear screen, which is at a similar angle, actually winds down, has an electric motor winder. Now that is really cool.

There are not many Anglia's around any more.

Cheers harit

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Follow the below procedures.

1) Check the starter and solenoid once.
2) Drain the existing oil.
3) Use a 200ml engine decarb with 2.5 ltrs engine oil, just crank the engine for about a minute or two.(No spark plugs in the spark plug hole)
4) Put in new spark plugs, and cables.
5) New ignition coil
6) New Battery
7) Check the brakes
8) Fill water in the radiator
9) Clean up the carb, use upsize jets.
10) Use a electric fuel pump
11) Use a seperate fuel can.

By doing all the above, you can fire up and the car will be ready to drive.
I might add, before proceeding with step no. 1, see if the engine hasnt seized already, by trying to move the radiator fan. The fan would of course not move freely (never does even with a normal engine anyways) but move it should. If it's immmobile solid, the chances are the engine is seized or jammed with the compression gone down. Starting it in this case would tend to seize the engine.

'had the same challenge with my '62 Standard Companion.

The engine looked like it hadnt fired up in a decade or so! So my mech. suspected the compression low, and opened up the head and got the pushrods faced, and the rocker bushes and springs replaced, then put the head back on and (without changing the packing) just poured in some amounts of fresh engine oil through the rockers, and then after the usual carb/points/condensor/plugs/distributor sorting out, did he proceed with starting the engine.

Nice Ford anglia btw. But does it qualify for this 'rust in pieces' thread?
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Nice Ford anglia btw. But does it qualify for this 'rust in pieces' thread?
Yes it does. In the last picture below the reversing light on the left, there is a piece rusting. On closer inspection there will be other spots too.

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@PAVAN KADAM:ill be noting the instructions down for reference. have been looking for instructions on this topic for a long time. along with stanhers inputs this info shal be invaluable. thanx

@harit:i had mentioned earlier that the car seemed familiar , thanx to you now i know why( i aint a potter fan so it didnt strike me at first)
@stanher:ohh it does belong here. beneath the touched up paint is loads of rust , and if it isnt rescued it shall also be in pieces soon. did i mention i saw it running a few years ago, not recently. it seems the owner tries to care for it all he can but is held back by his limited abilities and financial resources. was thinking of going and having a chat with the owner of this car as well. want to know its history and all and mayb consider the possibilty of a purchase as well
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This is the Anglia just like we thought when seeing your sketch. Harry Potter in his first movie actually flew in one of these.
Its actually in the SECOND book/movie, The Chamber of Secrets!

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@stanher:ohh it does belong here. beneath the touched up paint is loads of rust , and if it isnt rescued it shall also be in pieces soon. did i mention i saw it running a few years ago, not recently. it seems the owner tries to care for it all he can but is held back by his limited abilities and financial resources. was thinking of going and having a chat with the owner of this car as well. want to know its history and all and mayb consider the possibilty of a purchase as well
Well, I hope so too....I do like these cars too. But you could save the first place for the Herald, this doesnt look as bad as the latter (yet!) so can wait a little while longer!
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Talc is used on carrom boards. Keeping rubber parts away from sunlight and air also help in the preservation, as others have pointed out.
SO is Talc Boric Powder, because thats what is being used for carrom boards? Can we use Boric powder then?

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for gogi sir:she told me her father used to have a merc which met with an accident and was scrapped, she still has a mechanical clock from it which works fine and she has to wind it once a week to keep it going. any idea mercs from which time had this clock?? i think she would willingly let go of it(maybe even for free)ill post pics of it when i visit her next (in about 2 months)
Wow!! Keeping in view the present old age of the lady, the age of her father's car (Merc) would make it a late 30's or early 40's model or even as late as the mid 50's W180, a VDO wind up clock(Mercedes 220A Cabriolet) till the early 60's, W121 Roadster 190 SL, an 8 day wind up clock.

Since she says she has to still wind it once a week, it must be what was called the 8 day clock that meant it would go on for eight days with a single time wind. This kind of clock was offered even in the Mercedes 190 SL so It would be really difficult to tell what kind of Mercedes her father owned.

In general, the earliest winding mechanisms on car clocks were of the key-wind type, which graduated to stem wind clocks and further to the rim wind clocks.

By the 1930s and 1940s, electric car clocks were in production, but mechanical clocks were still being offered. Electric car clocks were truly dominating the market only from the 50's and 60's but as I pointed out a 60's Mercedes 190SL (W121) was still offered with a 8 day wind up clock as was offered in the mid 50's 220A series (W180), but not an 8 day wind up.

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