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Old 8th March 2011, 22:25   #3646
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The plate says NC670. NCs were pick-up trucks. I think what we have here is an old pickup which has had a body built by some garage. Those lines are too straight and crude to be from a production car.
Please refer to all my earlier posts on this subject before commenting. It is a Station Wagon (body by M&M) and nothing else, as I had seen it when brand new in 1978.. We are waiting for expert comments from Behram Dhabhar who was with M&M since 1980.
FC (Forward Control) Series were for pick ups. There were the Jeep FC160 and later the FC 260 (longer chassis) both petrol pickups.The FC 260 was also sold under the Mahindra brand name after 1978. Then came the FC 260D under the Mahindra brand name, the MD 2350 (International engine) powered diesel pickup.
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The real thing is here for us to see and then offer our opinions.I am sure many have been anxious to know how M&M ventured into this one at a time when petrol prices were spiralling! I found the door latches matching with the Premier Padmini (Kurla to Kandivili) and the rear number plate light borrowed from the Ambassador Mark 3 (Uttarpara to Kandivili). The tail light is from the CJ4A/500D and so are the orange rear indiicators. The steering wheel is from the CJ4A/500D and so is the button that had a silver and red plate with Mahindra written on it. The meters and switches are all from the CJ4A/500D.The colours and letters from the horn button are now gone.
BUT THE GREATEST SURPRISE???? Is the letter "W" from Willys on the bonnet chrome ornamentation!
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Here is some interesting information on a french site, please check this link
Mahindra NC670 Station wagon et pick-up.

I think these were Mahindra's grand plans which quite did not materialise and ended up as a box on wheels.

If someone (Behram) could shed some light on it or dig deep into some MM records.

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Old 9th March 2011, 09:01   #3648
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1940 Studebaker at the 'gujiri' (scrap market), Bangalore.....said to be 1 of 3 such cars left in India....guy said the engine fires up on one crank!





Isn't it amazing that this car recently changed hands in 2010. The previous owner bought the car for 60K in 2007 and just parked it as is and then sold it for a tidy sum in 2010 The new owner has started restoration. I do not know whether all the missing trims were found or with still another mechanic who wants a tidy pot of money.

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Please refer to all my earlier posts on this subject before commenting. It is a Station Wagon (body by M&M) and nothing else, as I had seen it when brand new in 1978.. We are waiting for expert comments from Behram Dhabhar who was with M&M since 1980.
FC (Forward Control) Series were for pick ups. There were the Jeep FC160 and later the FC 260 (longer chassis) both petrol pickups.The FC 260 was also sold under the Mahindra brand name after 1978. Then came the FC 260D under the Mahindra brand name, the MD 2350 (International engine) powered diesel pickup.
Oops! Guess I screwed up. I was reading the thread from last to first.

I jumped to pickup, because that's what NC usually means when it comes to Mahindra. the NC640 was a pickup truck based on the CJ500. As I recall, FCs are cab forward, van-like trucks. It was common practice then for government agencies to build bodies on jeeps. Remember the ISRO jeeps? They were based on LWB CJ chassis, with a CJ3 front end and a very interesting all-metal 4-door body that seated 8.

The jeep in the picture looks like it was derived from a Wagoner pick-up, like the ones on this Jeeps Around the World page. As you said, let's wait for Mr. Dhabhar to shed some light.
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I jumped to pickup, because that's what NC usually means when it comes to Mahindra. the NC640 was a pickup truck based on the CJ500. As I recall, FCs are cab forward, van-like trucks.
NC stands for Normal Control
FC stands for Forward Control
Both NCs and FCs were pickup trucks.

And the term "van" refers to the box like rear end. Vans can be Normal Control or Forward Control. For example: Here is an NC van.

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The jeep in the picture looks like it was derived from a Wagoner pick-up, like the ones on this Jeeps Around the World page. As you said, let's wait for Mr. Dhabhar to shed some light.
It's Wagoneer, nor Wagoner. And Wagoneers were never pickups, they were station-wagons. The pickups were called Gladiator.

Later when Jeep scaled them down and made them smaller, the station wagon was called Cherokee and the pickup was called Comanche.

just my opinion
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Thanks invinci, vivekgk and Ram for the further clarifications.True there were NC pick ups too also made by Willys earlier and assembled and marketed by M&M here.
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It's Wagoneer, nor Wagoner. And Wagoneers were never pickups, they were station-wagons. Ram
Indeed they were station wagons inspired by their predecessor the legendary Willys station wagon.

I have seen a lovely Wagoneer in Secunderabad rusting in a function hall.

Infact,the Wagoneer laid the foundation for an SUV design.
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I have seen a lovely Wagoneer in Secunderabad rusting in a function hall.
Where exactly in Sec'bad is this? Have you tried enquiring about it btw?
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Where exactly in Sec'bad is this? Have you tried enquiring about it btw?
Yes, owned by a Nawab.Its parked at Function Villa, Opp Chiran fort club.

Sadly, the original 3.8L Tornado is replaced by a Nissan Deisel engine.I spoke to the owner an year back, he said he has ordered few parts from US & blah-blah.
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There is another good stuff, Jeep Cherokee rotting in a petrol pump somewhere at Shivrampally. The road which takes to Golkonda, Masabtank below P.V.Narshimharao flyover there is a petrol pump on to the left side you will find this Jeep Cherokee just standing catching dust.
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NC stands for Normal Control
FC stands for Forward Control

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Ram, I think in NC & FC, the C may stand for 'Cabin' rather than 'Control'. Makes more sense right?
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Ram, I think in NC & FC, the C may stand for 'Cabin' rather than 'Control'. Makes more sense right?
it si Control not cabin.

FC - Front Control as the steering and other controls are forward of the engine.

similarly for NC the steering and controols are in the normal position which is parallel to the engine.

It's nothing to do with the cabin
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Ram, I think in NC & FC, the C may stand for 'Cabin' rather than 'Control'. Makes more sense right?
tantragna, I wasn't giving free rein to my imagination.
I read the terms Forward Control and Normal Control in a book I had in the 1960s. It was a small hardbound pocket book with a lot of black-and-white pictures: "The Observer's Book of Commercial Vehicles", compiled by L. A. Manwaring. The cover had a blue and red ERF truck.

I have been on the Internet since 1993, but this was 26 years before the Internet. I purchased this book in 1967 from a bookshop -- a little hole in the wall, opp. Ruia College, Matunga, where the car-parking oval is today.

I used to build cardboard scale models of trucks as a boy and my first book to drool about trucks was the Ladybird book of Commercial Vehicles, which I had a year or so, before the Observer's Book.

The cover of this Ladybird book of Commercial Vehicles had a tanker truck (could never identify the make) and part of the face of a yellow Unic Vincennes truck on the cover. Published by Wills and Hepworth, England. It was purchased from the same shop for Rs. 4. (1966 money!)

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Pics sent by a friend who spotted this at a junkyard in Bangalore. He's very keen to get an old vintage for junk value and then get it restored. Anybody knows any good restorer in Bangalore? It would be really helpful if one could provide me with a good restorer's contact details and garage location. Thanks in advance.
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Pics sent by a friend who spotted this at a junkyard in Bangalore.
A Hudson Cutom 8 probably of 1937-38 vintage. Nice. Does this have papers.

And a restoration from that state is big big bucks atleast here in Bangalore.
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