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Old 17th June 2013, 23:47   #1951
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Some more photographs from the same source :

1942 Ford GPW

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And the only one which reached Lucknow - 61 Mercedes W111

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Old 18th June 2013, 01:11   #1952
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These old photos posted by Vintageman are a flashback. Many of these cars were with RC Agarwal of Kolkata.
The Fiat WBA 9 is with Doc, must be restored by now. There were the remains of 2 Fiat 509's, they were sold together but have no idea where.
The Chevy tourer 32/33 cannot be the Lonavala car as that car went to Lucknow and is still there. Not sure if this is the same car pictured.
The red American car seems a genuine convertible, look at the raer side glass, but I can't get it which one.
There was a Buick in Bihar which landed up in Rajasthan, whether any one of these is that I don't know. But WBA 9 is certainly in Bangaluru.

Cheers harit
Lets correct some things here . WBA 9 the so called fiat with Doc is a landualet while WBA 7 ( 7 SEATER ) & another smaller Fiat tourer are in Jaipur . The smaller is restored and I think the seven SEATER is also ready now . Yes the 7 seater was the car someone was assassinated in and also partially burnt

The steam green truck is in Bangalore also . Rest I am opening and will update

The fiats and this steam truck chain driven I am sure about what I wrote

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Old 18th June 2013, 11:19   #1953
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Lets correct some things here ......Cheers
Hi, I see that you have net access in the safari parks
This Fiat WBA 7 is 10000.....% with Doc. Its a 7 seater not unlike what Karl's aunt had of which pictures are seen in the nostalgic thread. It will be 1926/27. I have seen this Fiat undergoing restaurations. And, it is next to impossible to mix up a Landaulette and a Tourer, what say?
The modified steam roller is actually a truck, Sentinel of the 1920's and was assembled by Telco. There were two, both with Doc. Bangalore has another, and so does Mumbai or what is left of it.
So no correction required, and about the Jaipur cars will post later so as not to mix up things.

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A modification of a wood burning steam roller ???
I think that is actually a steam driven truck. Harit might be able to confirm?

There were pics. of a couple of them posted in another thread before.
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Spotted and clicked.
Experts may throw some light on it.
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Spotted and clicked.
Experts may throw some light on it.
Thats a Citroen Traction Avant . Looks like one of the French built ones..
Nice colour scheme.
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Thats a Citroen Traction Avant . Looks like one of the French built ones.. Nice colour scheme.
Being a right hand drive, chances are high that this one was made in England. Even the full-chrome radiator grille points towards that - although that could've been altered, but am assuming the restoration would've stuck to its legacy. Which also makes me think about the colour, since French-built Traction Avants were usually black, but I'll let that pass. The placement of the steering wheel could've been reoriented too, for that matter, but I doubt anybody would take that trouble in those days. A wooden dashboard and Smith meters would confirm it beyond doubt, but we can't sight that from here, so am going by the visible cues. There are many other ways to establish it's nationality of course. Btw, Traction Avants were also built in Germany, Belgium and Scandinavia!!

I could be wrong, of course; if you ask my wife, I mostly am!

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Another visible tell-tale sign from a far that had slipped my mind are the bumpers. No over-riders in the Brit cars, if I remember right. I am sorry, but those whitewalls are looking bad to me; totally out of sync on a Traction Avant!

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I think that is actually a steam driven truck. Harit might be able to confirm?

There were pics. of a couple of them posted in another thread before.
That indeed is a steam powered truck. Re posting the picture originally posted by Harit ji & another pic of a restored Sentinel truck .
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Hi, I see that you have net access in the safari parks
This Fiat WBA 7 is 10000.....% with Doc. Its a 7 seater not unlike what Karl's aunt had of which pictures are seen in the nostalgic thread. It will be 1926/27. I have seen this Fiat undergoing restaurations. And, it is next to impossible to mix up a Landaulette and a Tourer, what say?
The modified steam roller is actually a truck, Sentinel of the 1920's and was assembled by Telco. There were two, both with Doc. Bangalore has another, and so does Mumbai or what is left of it.
So no correction required, and about the Jaipur cars will post later so as not to mix up things.

Cheers harit
Companion to WBA 7 is this car attached in the image WBB 39

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Though of a slightly different vintage......

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What could be the reason for the large circumference of the wheels? Bad roads?
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Spotted and clicked.
Experts may throw some light on it.
This Citroen Traction Avant belongs to the Advaith stable and has been restored over the last few years.

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No over-riders in the Brit cars, if I remember right. I am sorry, but those whitewalls are looking bad to me; totally out of sync on a Traction Avant!

Brit cars did sometimes come with overriders though as on member adkol's car. They are factory fitted.

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Another visible tell-tale sign from a far that had slipped my mind are the bumpers. No over-riders in the Brit cars, if I remember right.
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Brit cars did sometimes come with overriders though as on member adkol's car. They are factory fitted.
You are correct that adkol's British-made Traction Avant has over-riders, and the Brit cars did sometimes come with over-riders. Maybe, I should've elaborated earlier, but that would've necessitated a lengthy low-down on the Traction Avant's history. Lemme try and do that as succinctly as I can now, and attempt to put a bit of perspective here, if I may.

Please do bear with me, if I make any minute mistake(s), since this is being culled entirely from the depths of my memory, which like I keep saying again and again, ad nauseam, has taken a fair bit of indulgent abuse over the years.

First of all, the red and black Bangalore car is a 11CV (to add to the confusion, lemme also add that the 11CV was called the Light 15 and Heavy 15 in the UK, according to whether it was the shorter 11CV or larger wheelbase 11CV, because of UK's different horsepower system from France!!). Whereas the black car in Calcutta that you've put up is a 15CV (15/6 - either 'Big Six' or 'Heavy Six' they were called, IIRC).

The 15CVs probably always came with over-riders, whether built in the UK, France, Belgium, etc. The ones on the Brit cars were of a squarish shape, while the French, and other factory-built cars were more pointy (dagger-like) with a larger proportion of it hanging below the bumper-line, while the square Brit ones were more above/upright (sort of stalactite vs. stalagmite for reference, if you please!!).

The 11CVs did not always have over-riders! The 11CV that was made in the UK, did not get over-riders until later than the others, probably after 1950, I'm not exactly sure of the dateline.

AND, iterations of the over-riders aside, the design of the bumper itself (per se) was different on the British Traction Avants from the French ones. Be it the 15CV or the 11CV! The Bangalore 11CV is obviously a 1948 or later model, and it's bumper bears a mildly-curved-surface pressed design with a little vertical dip only ahead of the radiator grille, compared with the French bumpers, which were either still of a much wavy design (horizontally and vertically) or completely flat and straight by then. And of course, it's a RHD, France having produced a very small number of which in the early years (when it was actually the 7CV!! *wicked/devilish smile* with many apologies, blame it on Andre, not me )
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Hi,

Something new to chew on . Spotted in Delhi a while back. Cant say if it has been posted before.

Restored by the famous Noida Garage as the emblem proclaims.

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