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Old 13th April 2009, 18:31   #1171
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Wasif seems like th D has fallen or broken as the underline chrome strip seems longer before the 200 than after.
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HAHAHA I thought Beetles were expensive. Thanks for opening my eyes guys. There is lot of Juggad on the vehicles.
I was just passing by and saw them there they looked so nice together almost like a family. Took a few pics asked a few questions and was off.
Has anyone seen a stretched out Black Beetle in Bangalore?
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The Streched Beetle is in koramangala the other Beetle and the fiat is like masala puri hardly any original fittings on the cars
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Guys its 6 lacs for one single car.
Mein Gott!!
Pavan, has the guy been smoking funny things??

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Mein Gott!!
Pavan, has the guy been smoking funny things??
, stole my words.

Some people have a great sense of humour, what a price, what a joke.
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Is the Guy Nuts??? Tell him to jump into a well and drown in a spoonfill of water! No Fiat 600 is worth 6 laks!! And Im certain that the Beetle too isnt worth 6 laks!!
Why do you Say he has gone Nuts??!! And from where have you learnt the phrase of "Tell him to jump into a well and drown in a spoonfill of water! " Please be mellow with your reactions. One may Quote a ridiculous price for something he may want to sell, but doesnt mean he'd get that price. He is just quoting, hoping to get 1 bakra. I would consider the 600 for say 2 lacs if everything is in place and the car is superb, Its a Very Cute car, and wont occupy parking space which costs 10 lacs in Mumbai!!
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True, waiting for a Bakra.......

Couple of years ago, one dealer was having an austin / morris minor parked in his place near JP nagar wanted 3.5 lakh.

its life.....if one got strong negotiating skills, they can get for half the price.
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the damage caused to genuine enthusiasts by these ''atrocious'' demands is really a concern. I know of guys down here who have started asking rs.2lakhs for markI ambassadors that too with changed engine
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the guy who owns the beetles and the 600 , is a friend's relative , what i hear is that they quote insane prices to those who seem non serious buyers based on thier approach and attitude. i guess they get tired of lot of tons of people just casually asking " is it for sale ?" , " how much?" , " which model"? blah blah blah .
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@Siddhartha..Are you refering to the Muslim Gentleman who owns Beetles and fiat 600? His prices are sky touching and i wouldnt even go near him.
Incidentally he has a Garment shop at the entrance of Commercial St.
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This cars are parked in the Pebbles pub compound in Bangalore Palace (or were!). Along with these was a bright yellow Escort Cnvertable and an old MR2 recently snapped on this forum
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I really wonder why some get to furious/emotional when a high price is quoted for a car.
I believe that any owner of a car has the right to demand any price he sets, irrespective of the market price, input cost to him or whatever. Since it is his property, one cannot object.
There are so many instances where outrageous prices were quoted, and then surprise surprise these prices were achieved. Then we start criticizing the buyer. What would that make us? Sore losers!!!
A restorer in Kolkotta who features on a thread, once told me that he had a Kingsway which was not for sale. The guy pestered him, he quoted an outrageous price and after a few days the guy gave him the payment. Recently in Mumbai two cars were sold for a good value. Many felt that these cars were expensive, another opined that this was a distress sale because the level of restoration was so high, it must have cost more. So all is relative.
There are cars available out there at relatively reasonable prices, just go and find them. They are all over India. So you need good networking, contacts to find the car, restore the car, source the parts. That is why it is a hobby for many of us. Those who view it as a business cannot be blamed, every hobby has businessmen making a living of the hobbyists. Are golf clubs cheap? Are yachts cheap? Are flying club lessons cheap? And then you have to buy a plane and park it. Hobbies can be expensive, just depend on the kind of hobby you persue. Even we hobbyists, if we have something to pass on, do make a margin, it goes back into our hobby, it is not our livelyhood.
How can you say that high prices cause damages to genuine enthusiasts? This is beyond my comprehension. All cars are not high priced, those few which are, well just avoid them. And undo the 'damage' by finding something more appropriate in any respect.

When I started with my first car, a simple Fiat tourer, nobody really cared or was impressed. It was difficult to even talk to the stalwarts. But as my collection of cars, bikes, photos, memorabilia, knowledge, history, etc grew, now I can talk to almost anybody. In fact there is so much in the contacts, it is difficult to cope, as time is limited. But I could never walk up to a collector and demand concessions because I was an enthusiast. And an enthusiast starts by making contact with the like minded, and sources like brokers, garagewallahs, etc.
Forget for a moment our hobby. The builders and housing scenario damages the cause of genuine home seekers. So even rates in chawls have gone up, some cannot afford. So all we can do is crib, but that's it.
In short, if this is a hobby to you, set your budget, keep searching and avoid stuff that you cannot afford. You may not end up with a Rolls, but you will get a vehicle sooner or later to restore and be proud of. And one can always upgrade when possible.

This is my perspective, some may agree, others may differ, but lets see who buys the bugs, VW's and 600.
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True, people have a right to quote whatever they choose to for their cars. But there is really nothing wrong in expressing surprise at outrageously high quotes. This helps novices like me develop a fair idea about the average market price for different cars in varying stages of disrepair. It helps us make more informed decisions when deciding on buying a vintage car to restore. I don’t see the down side in expressing shock over high quotes. But, that’s just my opinion as a vintage car lover who is looking to buy his first.

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@hillram- yes , dont know abt the garment shop bit.

@ajmat- yes these are the ones showcased at pebble for thier retro nights on mondays for a couple of weeks .


the prices quoted sometimes are just not justified, on the other hand i completely agree with harit, but again these insane quotes will make other sellers/dealers also hike up thier prices.

so its up to the buyer.

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I really wonder why some get to furious/emotional when a high price is quoted for a car.
I believe that any owner of a car has the right to demand any price he sets, irrespective of the market price, input cost to him or whatever. Since it is his property, one cannot object.
There are so many instances where outrageous prices were quoted, and then surprise surprise these prices were achieved. Then we start criticizing the buyer. What would that make us? Sore losers!!!
A restorer in Kolkotta who features on a thread, once told me that he had a Kingsway which was not for sale. The guy pestered him, he quoted an outrageous price and after a few days the guy gave him the payment. Recently in Mumbai two cars were sold for a good value. Many felt that these cars were expensive, another opined that this was a distress sale because the level of restoration was so high, it must have cost more. So all is relative.
There are cars available out there at relatively reasonable prices, just go and find them. They are all over India. So you need good networking, contacts to find the car, restore the car, source the parts. That is why it is a hobby for many of us. Those who view it as a business cannot be blamed, every hobby has businessmen making a living of the hobbyists. Are golf clubs cheap? Are yachts cheap? Are flying club lessons cheap? And then you have to buy a plane and park it. Hobbies can be expensive, just depend on the kind of hobby you persue. Even we hobbyists, if we have something to pass on, do make a margin, it goes back into our hobby, it is not our livelyhood.
How can you say that high prices cause damages to genuine enthusiasts? This is beyond my comprehension. All cars are not high priced, those few which are, well just avoid them. And undo the 'damage' by finding something more appropriate in any respect.

When I started with my first car, a simple Fiat tourer, nobody really cared or was impressed. It was difficult to even talk to the stalwarts. But as my collection of cars, bikes, photos, memorabilia, knowledge, history, etc grew, now I can talk to almost anybody. In fact there is so much in the contacts, it is difficult to cope, as time is limited. But I could never walk up to a collector and demand concessions because I was an enthusiast. And an enthusiast starts by making contact with the like minded, and sources like brokers, garagewallahs, etc.
Forget for a moment our hobby. The builders and housing scenario damages the cause of genuine home seekers. So even rates in chawls have gone up, some cannot afford. So all we can do is crib, but that's it.
In short, if this is a hobby to you, set your budget, keep searching and avoid stuff that you cannot afford. You may not end up with a Rolls, but you will get a vehicle sooner or later to restore and be proud of. And one can always upgrade when possible.

This is my perspective, some may agree, others may differ, but lets see who buys the bugs, VW's and 600.
harit,
firstly,had sent you 3 pm's but no reply,hope it is not deliberate!!
just it is somebody property doesnt mean that one can quote anything for that when he puts it up for sale in the market place.Because this being a small niche segment where very few items come up for sale there is a high influence in the market by the ''quotes''.
I know a particular instance where a single owner fiat elegant 1100 was on sale ,the owner was asking Rs.35000/- to a friend of mine.My friend agreed to meet him on the next sunday itself.Unfortunately for him there was a advertisement on the sunday classified for a fiat millicento asking Rs.100000/-.The owner of the car obviously saw this and when my friend(he was unaware of this) met him ,he backed out of the deal saying he was no longer interested in selling the car!!!.
Few days later the same fiat elegant was advertised in the paper for Rs.75000/-.!!It is a different matter that both cars have remained unsold till a month ago!!But see, the difference in the market caused by the unrealistic quote of the millicento guy.This is the ''damage 'I meant .
another example I personally know is the case of Maruti Suzuki SS80 whose prices have suddenly gone up and many have accused me of playing an indirect role in jacking up the prices!!!
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