Rolls Royce's in India

[travancore]

Does anyone know about this car or have pictures ?

1914 Silver Ghost Alpine Eagle to colonial specs - Maharaja of Udaipur

• Returned to UK in 1969 and imported to S. Africa in 1975
• Owned in S.Africa by Derek du Toit
• Later sold to Bob May in England

(source : Classic Car Africa, March 1997)

[park-ward]

Originally Posted by Julian UK

Park Ward I’ve only just noticed your reply about 25/30 GZR30 Vanden Plas. Thank you.
I have just found I have a photo of its engine bay, might as well post it:
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Can you, Travencore or anyone help put numbers to the following 20hp photographs posted earlier? Thank you in advance.



Is this 64H9 with special hand controls for H.H. Maharajah of Udaipur?
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I would like to know the chassis number of this 20hp.
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The black Twenty tourer is definitely not 64H9 although it's a pre-GPK1. It could be a genuine Barker tourer. The blue one looks more like a replica. I'll research them when I can find the time ;o)

Originally Posted by travancore

Does anyone know about this car or have pictures ?

1914 Silver Ghost Alpine Eagle to colonial specs - Maharaja of Udaipur

• Returned to UK in 1969 and imported to S. Africa in 1975
• Owned in S.Africa by Derek du Toit
• Later sold to Bob May in England

(source : Classic Car Africa, March 1997)

Travancore,
This is Silver Ghost #64AB carrying a Hooper style body built in India. It is still with Bob May in the UK.

[justrolls1]

Hello Travancore,

Here is a picture of #42-G-0 1922 20hp Barker Barrel-Sided Tourer Maharaja of Udaipur.

Regards-Henk

[justrolls1]

Here are pictures of a modelcar (Dubois Creations) of the 1927 20hp Roadster Coupe of the Maharaja of Nabha. Who knows chassisnumber, coachbuilder and are there pictures of the real car.

[Julian UK]

Thank you justrolls1 for the picture of 42-G-0, I presume its still one of Mr.Fasal's cars? You are really filling in the gaps.

Very interesting model, its not 68 H5 a Nabha 20hp so a mystery indeed, it has rather a long bonnet for a 20hp... justrolls1, you, Travencore and Park Ward are out of my league, I'm stumped, but doing my best to keep up, too much time in the workshop
Over to you Travencore and Park Ward.


Meanwhile tracking another Rolls Royce..
The top photo is a screenshot of the quite reasonable mock up Ghost armoured car used in the Gandhi film, the lower photo is of a Kanpur Ghost that DKG posted but in the midst of renovation with its old wheels still fitted. I presume the same car. A friend of mine did some work on a car belonging to the Modis, it think it must be the same car.

[travancore]

Originally Posted by justrolls1

Here are pictures of a modelcar (Dubois Creations) of the 1927 20hp Roadster Coupe of the Maharaja of Nabha. Who knows chassisnumber, coachbuilder and are there pictures of the real car.

Thanks Henk, for more cool pictures, icluding 42GO!

The following is a picture I posted on the "Beauties at Dharmastahala" thread (post #50) hoping someone could identify. The rear end looks very similar to the Nabhha car, windscreen looks different. Car registration is MBN-258

[karlosdeville]

Originally Posted by justrolls1

Here is a picture of #42-G-0 1922 20hp Barker Barrel-Sided Tourer Maharaja of Udaipur.

Very heartening to see the original number plate RJY 2 has been retained alongwith the present one.

This car was advertised sometime back on ebay, mentioning only that it previously belonged to "a Nawab". Does it look familiar?

[travancore]

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

Very heartening to see the original number plate RJY 2 has been retained alongwith the present one.

This car was advertised sometime back on ebay, mentioning only that it previously belonged to "a Nawab". Does it look familiar?

Hi Karlos:
This is a 1929 Phantom I by Barker (Chassis # 74-OR) originally owned by Nawab Minud Dowla Bahadur(Hyderabad ?) - DKG over to you!

[park-ward]

Originally Posted by justrolls1

Here are pictures of a modelcar (Dubois Creations) of the 1927 20hp Roadster Coupe of the Maharaja of Nabha. Who knows chassisnumber, coachbuilder and are there pictures of the real car.

To the best of my knowledge, the Nabha family owned one Twenty Hooper 4 seater tourer, not a 2 seater coupe. Anyway, this model is actually a Motorkit Phantom I with a few gimmicks and a phony owner. Dubois has produced quite a number of such 'adapted' models which never existed and whose reputed owners were invented to jazz them up.

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

Very heartening to see the original number plate RJY 2 has been retained alongwith the present one.

This car was advertised sometime back on ebay, mentioning only that it previously belonged to "a Nawab". Does it look familiar?

This is #74OR, which belonged to Moin-ud Dowlah, Nawab of Hyderabad.

[DKG]

Originally Posted by park-ward

This is #74OR, which belonged to Moin-ud Dowlah, Nawab of Hyderabad.

This car would have gone out of Hyderabad in the sixties or earlier. Moin-ud-Dowlah was head of one of three Paigah families (primary noblemen in the court of the Nizam). He is remembered more for his fondness for cricket. Nice car, interesting mother of pearl dashboard

[justrolls1]

Hello,

Here are some pictures of Indian Phantom's I.

#4RC 1925 PI Barker Open-Two Seater Maharaja of Mysore
#23RC 1925 PI Barker Torpedo Tourer Maharaja of Katali
#53TC 1926 PI Maythorn Limousine Maharaja of Cooch Behar
#100EF 1927 PI Hooper Open Tourer Maharaja of Udaipur

Regards-Henk

[justrolls1]

Hello,

And some unindentified Indian PI, please help with coachbuilders, chassisnumbers. (prev.) owner etc...

1928 PI Hooper Pranlal Collection
PI Maharaja of Jaipur
1927 PI Barker Boattail 'Varun' Pranlal Collection

Thanks-Henkl

[Chhayanat]

Originally Posted by Julian UK

Meanwhile tracking another Rolls Royce..
The top photo is a screenshot of the quite reasonable mock up Ghost armoured car used in the Gandhi film, the lower photo is of a Kanpur Ghost that DKG posted but in the midst of renovation with its old wheels still fitted. I presume the same car. A friend of mine did some work on a car belonging to the Modis, it think it must be the same car.
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The rolls royce 1916 armoured car had already been converted for town use when I saw it in 1966-67. The body was built by the French Motor Car. Co. of Calcutta. The owners at that time were not the Modis but the Singhanias. Further conversions, if any, must be later.

[Chhayanat]

Originally Posted by travancore

Does anyone know about this car or have pictures ?

1914 Silver Ghost Alpine Eagle to colonial specs - Maharaja of Udaipur

• Returned to UK in 1969 and imported to S. Africa in 1975
• Owned in S.Africa by Derek du Toit
• Later sold to Bob May in England
• (source : Classic Car Africa, March 1997)

Not completely germane and subject to correction, but is this the first reference in team-bhp to a RR Silver Ghost Alpine Eagle? I have no information about the car cited above but I do recall that, in the mid-1960s, a Silver Ghost with the Alpine Eagle label was exhibited at the Calcutta Vintage Car Rally in the name of "Tom Roy": clearly from a Bengal zamindar family. The best sources of information about old cars, for those in a position to obtain it, are the archives of the regional Automobile Associations of India and, for the grander cars, the archive of the Royal Automobile Club.


The chassis numbers and the works sales records are indispensable, but they are not able in all cases to take account of numerous cars sold second hand in India.

[karlosdeville]

I came across this armoured ghost in a flickr album. I can faintly read the words "France Egypt Palastine Iraq Russia Uzbekistan Peshawar something-else-stan Delhi Cawnpore Bangalore"