Rolls Royce's in India

[DKG]

Originally Posted by ritayan

Can someone through light in the picture of the Rolls below. It is supposed to have come from the Singhanias collection.

Would you by any chance have the chassis number? Atleast we can correctly identify the model year and variant

[travancore]

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

RSY 1 was a Mewar car if Im right? How long has it been with Udaipur? Isnt it the same Bond car from Octopussy?

Yes, this is the car used in Octopussy. It is a 1934 Phantom II, Chassis # 181RY and was originally owned by Maharaja Vijay Singh of Rajpipla. It is mentioned in the book "The History of Windovers" (even thogh the caption says Chassis No. 181R4)

[travancore]

This is a Silver Ghost hard to tell the year but there are no front brakes so its not a late one. Love the scalloped mudguards

The car with flared fenders / mudguards is a 1919 RR Silver Ghost, owned by Maharaja Bhupinder Singh of Patiala. The design of the flared mudguards supposedly kept dust away from the passengers.

The picture was taken (according to Rolls Royce) during the visit of the Prince of Wales to India. It is at the following URL: www.theclassictimes.com/fotoarticulos/RRIndia/Foto2.jpg

As a brand new member, I hate to post copyrighted material (have 3 or 4 binders collected over the last couple of yeats from the Internet)

[travancore]

[quote=Julian UK;768408]Love the tyres on the Fiat...
Any one got a picture of the Nizam's Throne Rolls-Royce Ghost?

Yes I do....however as a neeeeeeewbie hate to post copyrighted material.

The car is shown in the book Rolls Royce 70 years of Tests, compiled by Peter Garnier published by Autocar / Chartwell books (on page 44) along with a couple of Alwar cars. I also do have a picture after it was modified with rather ugly fenders (same ones it has today ???)

[Julian UK]

Thank for the link to this lovely photo, regarding posting copyright material I consulted with the admin of this site and they informed me it is alright to post from publications as long as there is a bold reference to the source of the material. This is for innocent, educational non commercial purpose and I feel that bearing in mind this is an Indian motoring forum and that so many cars were looted out of India the least that can be allowed is the use of a few photos even if the cars never come back. Many cars were smuggled out now worth millions so who should hang their heads in shame over a few photos.

Originally Posted by travancore

This is a Silver Ghost hard to tell the year but there are no front brakes so its not a late one. Love the scalloped mudguards

The car with flared fenders / mudguards is a 1919 RR Silver Ghost, owned by Maharaja Bhupinder Singh of Patiala. The design of the flared mudguards supposedly kept dust away from the passengers.

The picture was taken (according to Rolls Royce) during the visit of the Prince of Wales to India. It is at the following URL: www.theclassictimes.com/fotoarticulos/RRIndia/Foto2.jpg

As a brand new member, I hate to post copyrighted material (have 3 or 4 binders collected over the last couple of yeats from the Internet)

[sat]

A old photo which I found in one grandfathers files.. this photographs was taken by Arun Studio, Rajkot, Gujarat. Rumour was that this rolls was for sale.

I think the first alphabet in the number plate could be a 'S'

[karlosdeville]

Originally Posted by sat

A old photo which I found in one grandfathers files.. this photographs was taken by Arun Studio, Rajkot, Gujarat. Rumour was that this rolls was for sale.

I think the first alphabet in the number plate could be a 'S'

Has the number plate been intentionally blanked? S could perhaps be Saurashtra? just a wild guess.

[Julian UK]

More India Rolls-Royces:

1922 Silver Ghost built for the Maharajah of Udaipur

(Coys of Kensington? I used to work for them)






The 29hp records show these 4 cars were bought directly by the Maharajah of Bharatpur.
1925 20hp Saloon by Wylder GPK 33
1923 66H3 Eng.No.G331 body 5075 Barker barrel tourer (the car I spent 5 years restoring in Delhi).
1925 GSK15 Eng.No. G1364 body no.5184 Cabriolet by Windovers
1928 GTM17 Eng.No.J3T Weymann saloon
This picture is of the 1925 20hp Saloon by Wylder GPK 33






1928 Phantom 1 car 17EX, open tourer by Jarvis sold to the Maharajah Bahadur of Jammu and Kashmir in 1929

The factory records show he also bought these 3 Phantom I cars:
1927 106DC Open tourer by Windovers
1928 74UF Limousine by Windovers
1928 34AL Open tourer by Windovers





1828 Phantom I Landaulette by A. Mulliner bought by the Maharani of Baroda








The records show the Maharajah of Darbhanga bought 2 Phantom II cars directly.
1930 3XJ open tourer by Hooper
1930 2GY landaulette by Thrupp and Maberly
This is the 1930 Hooper open tourer:







The source caption for this car is "1937 Rolls-Royce Phantom III Barker body for the Maharajah of Baroda"


Any one know any history of the above car? The PIII records only show these 3 following cars bought directly by him.
1937 3AX201 limousine by Hooper
1937 3BU106 Limousine by Kellner (listed as bought by the Maharani)
1937 3CP112 saloon by Windovers


Images from Traumautoarchiv

[sat]

Has the number plate been intentionally blanked? S could perhaps be Saurashtra? just a wild guess

the number plate has been intentionally blanked in the original b&w photo.

sat

[travancore]

The source caption for this car is "1937 Rolls-Royce Phantom III Barker body for the Maharajah of Baroda"
Attachment 3597
Attachment 3598
Any one know any history of the above car?

This is a 1937 PIII, Chassis 3BT121; body by Mayfair. The car is shown in the "Derby Phantoms" with the notation that it was winner of the Coupe de l'Exposition, Frannce 1937 - it is possible that the Maharaja bought it from the show (as was often customary)

The car (now white) seems to owned by the Vale Wedding Cars Ltd, London whose website the following are from:






The PIII records only show these 3 following cars bought directly by him.
1937 3AX201 limousine by Hooper
1937 3BU106 Limousine by Kellner (listed as bought by the Maharani)
1937 3CP112 saloon by Windovers

You can find images of 3BU106 and 3CP112 at the Praeclarum website of the Australian RR Club (issues June 2006 - Feb 2007)

Images from Traumautoarchiv[/quote]

[Julian UK]

Thanks Travancore, the after market purchases always make things interesting. In fact the car is only about 6-7 miles from where we live, but I think we have enough photos to get the idea.
If I can finish it all, I'm trying to complete an upload of sales records to Indian Royalty for W.O. Bentleys, RR 20hp, PI, PII and PIII and I hope you can help fill in the gaps and oddities. If you can do Derby Bentleys, RR20/25 and 25/30 and post war it would be wonderful.
Best wishes

Originally Posted by travancore

The source caption for this car is "1937 Rolls-Royce Phantom III Barker body for the Maharajah of Baroda"
Attachment 3597
Attachment 3598
Any one know any history of the above car?

This is a 1937 PIII, Chassis 3BT121; body by Mayfair. The car is shown in the "Derby Phantoms" with the notation that it was winner of the Coupe de l'Exposition, Frannce 1937 - it is possible that the Maharaja bought it from the show (as was often customary)

The car (now white) seems to owned by the Vale Wedding Cars Ltd, London whose website the following are from:

Attachment 3694

Attachment 3695


The PIII records only show these 3 following cars bought directly by him.
1937 3AX201 limousine by Hooper
1937 3BU106 Limousine by Kellner (listed as bought by the Maharani)
1937 3CP112 saloon by Windovers

You can find images of 3BU106 and 3CP112 at the Praeclarum website of the Australian RR Club (issues June 2006 - Feb 2007)

Images from Traumautoarchiv

[/quote]

[Julian UK]

1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II 181RY Windovers Sedanca de ville of the Maharajah of Rajpipla


Image from HRH Hotels Limited, Udaipur (Rajasthan) India - Luxury Hotels, Palace Hotels, Grand Heritage Hotels, Destination Regal Weddings, Business Hotels, Leisure Hotels, Holiday Travel Offers, Weekend Packages

[travancore]

Originally Posted by Julian UK

Thanks Travancore, the after market purchases always make things interesting. In fact the car is only about 6-7 miles from where we live, but I think we have enough photos to get the idea.
If I can finish it all, I'm trying to complete an upload of sales records to Indian Royalty for W.O. Bentleys, RR 20hp, PI, PII and PIII and I hope you can help fill in the gaps and oddities. If you can do Derby Bentleys, RR20/25 and 25/30 and post war it would be wonderful.
Best wishes

[/quote]

JulianUK, if you are that close to Wale, maybe you can verify the provenance (Baroda) of this car.

As promised, I am also uploading original pictures of the Hyderabad Throne Car - RR Silver Ghost and a couple of Alwar Silver Ghosts (pictures courtesy of Autocar)

Car as delivered to Hyderabad:



Writeup on Hyderabad car:



Alwar Cars:



I have spent a small fortune on books and a significant fortune (time) on research - may as well share some of it!

[xoticars]

Julian, Thanks for re-posting the earlier pics into this thread. Great job, and thanks for sharing it all with us. Not sure if you remember me? Met you in Delhi, many years ago with Mr. R.N Seth and also at another gentleman's farm where he had a 1930 Caddilac Sedan. I have a similar Fleetwood Cadillac. Remember? Good to see you back here.

[karlosdeville]

I have spent a small fortune on books and a significant fortune (time) on research - may as well share some of it![/quote]

Havent we all in some way

Its great to see more and more people coming forward and discussing these cars. There really is no point if one hordes all the information and pictures and takes them to their grave now is there? We have the now-one-stop-shop for just this, and I see big things happening here.

Tranvancore, we are still waiting for you to write in the introduction thread.