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Old 22nd October 2010, 16:17   #151
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I think there were three cars. Doc Blue lImo is a Gujrat State car.. failing to remember which on. The other brown car is known to exist . Present where abouts unknown or its condition. The Tata Car is suppose to be in Jamshedpur

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Just checked with a few people in Calcutta, there were only two known Nurburgs, One was the Tata car which is the BLue car a 7 seater limo and the other car was the car from Dhanbad. The Dhanbad car was the Tourer and had lots of bits unoriginal. The Grill was also modified on this car. Can you please post a picture of the car ?
There are three known Nurburg's, one sedan, two tourers. will post picture later in the day.

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I think there were three cars. Doc Blue lImo is a Gujrat State car.. failing to remember which on. The other brown car is known to exist . Present where abouts unknown or its condition. The Tata Car is suppose to be in Jamshedpur Stand to be corrected
Correct, except sedan came from south.

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Is the Tata Car the one with Doc?
The Tata car is with, well, errrrrrrrrrrr TATA

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The Tata car is with, well, errrrrrrrrrrr TATA
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Good one Harit

Please do share the pictures of the cars other than Doc's.

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This is the Calcutta/Dhanbad Nurburg, picture almost 30 years old.
Radiator shell is fabricated.
Irony of fate, this is probably the junk which was lying in Nagpur is the 1980's, and is lying in Nagpur now for mechanical work!!
She is still mechanically sound and in good shape, needs some tlc.
The Tata car is similar, but was black, and one Zeiss lens was broken and glued together. Apart from that, an excellent car.

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I think there were three cars. Doc Blue lImo is a Gujrat State car.. failing to remember which on. The other brown car is known to exist . Present where abouts unknown or its condition. The Tata Car is suppose to be in Jamshedpur
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Correct, except sedan came from south.
From my memory, Doc's Nurburg hardtop was exhibited as a Rajkot state car. The same is also mentioned in the book 'Story of the star in India' covering Mercedes cars in India. It was registered RBK 293 if I remember right. The Tata car was registered RJJ 1 in an old photo posted earlier of the car participating in a rally. It was a black and white photo, but the car was a light colour, possibly even white. The third car is the gold? coloured car that Harit has just posted.
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The news about the next Cartier event is that it will be held in Delhi in March 2011.
Star of the show is expected to be the Nizam's Rolls Royce which has left Hyderabad and gone for restoration. Not sure of all the details, but I would expect that they will revert the mudguards, bonnet and other alterations back to original.
The Nizam's throne car (known by this name around the world) also the most expensive Silver Ghost, is in Indore with Maharaja Manvendra Singh undergoing extensive restoration to stock condition.

It is predicted to be the star of the Cartier show, mid March 2011, New Delhi, after which it will return back to Hyderabad to be permanently showcased either in the Falaknuma or Chowmohalla palace.
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'The Throne Car', custom made with an inbuilt throne by Barker, this Silver Ghost was commissioned by the Mehboob Ali Pasha, the VI Nizam of Hyderabad, in 1911.

A file photograph before the modification, taken prior to 1937.
This is what you can expect to see at the show after its restoration to stock.
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The Nizam's throne car (known by this name around the world) also the most expensive Silver Ghost, is in Indore with Maharaja Manvendra Singh undergoing extensive restoration to stock condition. It is predicted to be the star of the Cartier show, mid March 2011, New Delhi, after which it will return back to Hyderabad to be permanently showcased either in the Falaknuma or Chowmohalla palace.
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This Throne car IS the star of this Cartier show. Cartier has invested into its restoration. Cosmetics are being done in Indore, for mechanicals someone is coming down from abroad. And the car is being restored back to its original design. All this costs money, it is money well spent to get this car into its prime again and present it as the star of the show.
But this was not the most expensive ever Silver Ghost. There was a car known as the Pearl of the East, now lost, which was supposed to have been over the top. And the original Silver Ghost AX 201 with the silver plated fittings must have cost a bit more. But, this throne car is unique in the world, and a highly notable car. Can some Rolls-Royce authorities elaborate please?

BTW, there is a new "Preservation" class of cars being displayed, and the black Impala from Hyderabad will be displayed under that category, along with a Rolls P III and even a highly original late 1950's Fiat. Unfortunately the P III Rolls has lost too much paint and honestly looks quite shabby. You will see these soon!

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But this was not the most expensive ever Silver Ghost.

BTW, there is a new "Preservation" class of cars being displayed, and the black Impala from Hyderabad will be displayed under that category
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Regarding the "most expensive Silver Ghost ever", try inquiring with the restorer directly? Those are his words.

Yes, the black Hyderabad Impala is being entered in "Preservation class".

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Regarding the "most expensive Silver Ghost ever", try inquiring with the restorer directly? Those are his words.
It most probably was indeed the most expensive Silver Ghost at the time it was built. Most Maharajas at that time were just getting started on the R-R one up-manship game!

Read somewhere recently that AX-201 was the highest insured (value) car in the world. One for Ripley's Believe It or Not ?????
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It most probably was indeed the most expensive Silver Ghost at the time it was built. Most Maharajas at that time were just getting started on the R-R one up-manship game!

Read somewhere recently that AX-201 was the highest insured (value) car in the world. One for Ripley's Believe It or Not ?????
Absolutely correct, it may have been the most expensive RR built at that time but is not anymore.

AX-201 is without a doubt, the world's most valuable Rolls Royce. The Nizam's throne car is a special machine, but does not have the provenance of what is considered by all leading RR experts without exception as the Silver Ghost. God knows what AX-201 would fetch in any auction with everyone trying to outbid the other!

I do not know who is doing the Nizam's throne car's restoration but AX-201 was restored by P&A Wood and their credentials need no explanation.

The throne car certainly deserves to be a star at the Cartier show, or indeed, any show, but is not the car AX-201 is. Still, will be wonderful to see it restored to the condition it deserves. When I last saw it, it was in a rather sorry (if quite "original") state - a far cry from its days of service.

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what is considered by all leading RR experts without exception as the Silver Ghost
How many of these "leading" experts have actually seen the Nizam's Rolls? My guess is except for John Fasal no one else may have, but I could be wrong

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As a lot of people will be seeing the Nizam's Rolls in public the first time its only appropriate a little about the car's provenance be mentioned.

The car was bought brand new in 1912 by the Nizam against special order and remains in his family for the past 98 years. The New York Times across the Atlantic carried an article in 1912 heralding the creation of this special car.

The car has been used only on a handful of occasions and has only 356 miles on it.

The Nizam of Hyderabad in his time was the richest man on earth and according to Forbes the fifth richest ever in mankind's history.

Just to give some of you a hint of what this wealth meant in real world terms its a fact that even the Queen of England didn't have state jewellery to match that of the Nizam. When Princess Durrehshevar and Prince Azamjah were in England to call on the Queen the princess was asked politely to wear something simpler so that the queen not feel upstaged by a mere colonial monarch. The princess obliged. The present queen's favourite string of pearls was gifted her by the Nizam

The Nizam of Hyderabad was one of the more generous donors to the British Empire during the World Wars as acknowledged once in a story covered by Time magazine.

The Nizam was the only Indian ruler referred to as His Exalted Highness and ruled the richest state in India, or should we say world !

This car was ordered by him and barely used !

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