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Old 21st July 2010, 09:37   #121
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Does anyone happen to know the owner of the Rolls Royce Silver Wraith with the tag 'WBD 3068'? If it really is the person who I have in mind, then it shall be quite clear about this particular car being in my Great Grandmother's ownership before eventually being sold. A little help shall be much appreciated, thank you in advance!
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The news about the next Cartier event is that it will be held in Delhi in March 2011.
Star of the show is expected to be the Nizam's Rolls Royce which has left Hyderabad and gone for restoration. Not sure of all the details, but I would expect that they will revert the mudguards, bonnet and other alterations back to original. This is also supposed to be sponsored. We will have a truly magnificient Rolls restored to its former glory. Wonder if the mechanicals are also to be tackled, or only cosmetics.
This time major participants will be from Delhi.

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The news about the next Cartier event is that it will be held in Delhi in March 2011.
Star of the show is expected to be the Nizam's Rolls Royce which has left Hyderabad and gone for restoration. Not sure of all the details, but I would expect that they will revert the mudguards, bonnet and other alterations back to original. This is also supposed to be sponsored. We will have a truly magnificient Rolls restored to its former glory. Wonder if the mechanicals are also to be tackled, or only cosmetics.
This time major participants will be from Delhi.

Cheers harit
What a pity to hear about this intended restoration of the Nizams Rolls. I am of the belief that it should have been left intact as is as it is a treasure trove of information on how they were originally put together.

Hope it doesn't end up a show queen
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What a pity to hear about this intended restoration of the Nizams Rolls. I am of the belief that it should have been left intact as is as it
I agree with you.

This car reflected the way a monarch thought. And we are erasing that history !!

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I agree with you.

This car reflected the way a monarch thought. And we are erasing that history !!

So this info about the car having been sent for restoration is correct, where did it go , Indore ???? What are the details behind its move.

Please add some more info on this
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The news about the next Cartier event is that it will be held in Delhi in March 2011.
Star of the show is expected to be the Nizam's Rolls Royce which has left Hyderabad and gone for restoration. Not sure of all the details, but I would expect that they will revert the mudguards, bonnet and other alterations back to original. This is also supposed to be sponsored. We will have a truly magnificient Rolls restored to its former glory. Wonder if the mechanicals are also to be tackled, or only cosmetics.
This time major participants will be from Delhi.

Cheers harit
Well it's good the car is being restored. They should restore it with the modified mudguards
... It's good to know the new list for the event. Know 5 cars tha are selected.. So this makes it 6
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Well it's good the car is being restored. They should restore it with the modified mudguards
... It's good to know the new list for the event. Know 5 cars tha are selected.. So this makes it 6

Please let us know which are the five cars you know about that are entering the event
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The discussion about the Nizam's Rolls is interesting, different points of view. Since this is one of very few really remarkable Ghosts in India, and that too early, and a special throne car, it should be restored back to original. The modified bonnet and mudguards can be kept for a display, but really the car was not just modified, it was downgraded. And it is quite unique and worthy, otherwise how can she be the star of the next show?
There is a 20HP which also has a modified body, and that is likely to stay the way it is because:
20 HP's are not rare in India. It was originally a Barker bodied car, a tourer with that so called barrel body, also not rare in India.
It is cheaper to keep the Maharajah's body on, a full rebuild would cost a lot of money. This way its history stays unique.
I know this because that 20HP is mine

Since most cars will be from Delhi, I will guess about 10 cars which will surely be present. Have a look in the Ivory Palace list and the DT list, you will find many in there.

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Old 18th September 2010, 08:18   #129
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Actually I very strongly disagree with you on this and here's why

The design of this car and its execution to the last detail was pure whim of an Indian potentate ! The eccentric ways of the people who ruled India so evidently manifest in some of the over the top designs they commissioned

Left to them Barker would have done the usual barrel sided tourers which are oh so bland !

The Nizam's Rolls brand new was more Nizam than British or Barker. Barker were mere craftsman executing a wish of a monarch. So nothing about the design was typically Barker, as I see it. It was pure Hyderabadi ruler whimsical eccentricity.

You have to appreciate that here's what the railway garages did. They wanted the car to look "modern"

Their solution was to lower it with small wheels and fit pontoon fenders, give the cowl a different appearance by shortening the bonnet and reskin the sides to give it a more "streamline" modern look as opposed to pure "buggy ishstyle"

That's Hyderabadi railway garage eccentricity at its best and to top it all it had the approval of the monarch who commissioned the crazy car in the first place.

I don't personally give a hoot that there is one less Barker Rolls to drool over. But I do care that a Hyderabadi monarch's attempt at car designing is getting erased.

This car was whacky when new. Its whackier post the Silver Jubilee celebration

But now a part of Hyderabad's history is being meticulously erased. I don't see any reason to applaud such endeavours. I told the restorer this same thing and he seemed to agree but said the princess wants it to be restored like the original design.

This is one subject we all must heartily agree to disagree. But what the heck the family had specialised in erasing Hyderabad's heritage and have done a remarkable job of it for the past four decades and thankfully have woken up from deep delusion to understand the relevance of preserving Hyderabad's heritage.

My parents had recommended to the prince to convert Falaknuma into a heritage hotel 40 years ago !! They are doing it now. Some people are slow !!

Sorry but I am pretty pissed that a facet of Hyderabad's history is being erased. Especially since so much has already been meticulously and zealously dismantled. But no one cares. No one will miss the charming culture and traditions of this wonderful city. No one will miss Osman Ali Khan or the fact that he built what we all brag of as a great city, his palace remains stripped bare, the pillar on which he scribbled his notes as he would ponder on the workings of life in the verandah of Nazri bagh will eventually crumble to further neglect.

Only two palaces remain in Hyderabad which are still reasonably well furnished as they once were. Falaknuma and one that belongs to family friends. The rest is all gone. None of the nawabs have managed to retain their heritage. Even Chowmahalla is a 100th of what it once was.

I know the restorer will do a fine job. He is sensitive enough to not spoil the car. But like I said only a Hyderabadi will be upset with what has happened. Rest of the world will celebrate !


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Please enlighten us as to WHO is this reastorer who has the car now
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Since I am sitting at the pc and have nothing better to do, thought that we could all amuse ourselves by guessing which cars would come to the next Cartier show.
So here is what I suspect, and know a little bit, lets see what turn up.
Rolls Royce Silver Ghost Nizam
Rolls Royce Silver Ghost tourer
Auburn V 12
Stutz
Delage Ivory Palace
Maybach Ivory Palace
Packard R. Kher
Hudson V8 phaeton Nitin Dossa if she gets ready in time
There will be a couple of Jags,
There was a proposal to have a "preservation" class, not sure if that went through. If yes, then Bentley 6.5 Litre.
Anyone can add to that?
Someone mentioned that the Mercedes Nurburg tourer of Telco may come, any info?

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Since I am sitting at the pc and have nothing better to do, thought that we could all amuse ourselves by guessing which cars would come to the next Cartier show.

Anyone can add to that?

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What about the Minerva Type AL ?
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Someone mentioned that the Mercedes Nurburg tourer of Telco may come, any info?
Not Telco, but maybe another one. And not Doc's, that has already appeared.
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Any details on this "another" Nurburg please and also on the Hudson and the Silver Gjost Tourer.
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Not Telco, but maybe another one. And not Doc's, that has already appeared.
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Any details on this "another" Nurburg please and also on the Hudson and the Silver Gjost Tourer.
A few years back i remember hearing from my father that when he gone to see some cars in Dhanbad there was a Nurburg, a Lancia , a Studebaker President and a Jagaur. I had at that point asked him to take photographs of the car but then i don't think he did. I think this could be that car from their.
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