Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > Vintage Cars & Classics in India


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 19th October 2014, 02:28   #1726
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ann Arbor
Posts: 1,692
Thanked: 3,097 Times
Default Re: Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India

One fabulous car,

Then:

Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-holkar-mercedes-sheikh-mukhtar-chassis-232198-sheikh-mukhtar-side-r.jpg

and Now:

Name:  Holkar Mercedes  540K Chassis 232198 Right side profile.jpg
Views: 2414
Size:  142.0 KB

Chrome spears have appreard on the wings, as well as a rear spare cover.

I am wondering of the period picture was the trademark Sunglow + Black. The running lamps seem to be black as well (not chrome)

Last edited by travancore : 19th October 2014 at 02:34.
travancore is offline   (6) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 19th October 2014, 09:28   #1727
BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: planet earth
Posts: 775
Thanked: 826 Times
Default Re: Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India

Looks much better THEN, rather than NOW!

The convertible top in the earlier picture seems to be at a rakish angle giving the car a sportier look. Somewhere during restoration, the angle has changed to a boxy look. The fender skirts also seem so unnecessary .

Take a close look at the rear fender tail edge. Seems modified to give a sharper look?

The embellishments, not needed on such a handsome car.


But then, that's my opinion.

Last edited by Bulldogji : 19th October 2014 at 09:34.
Bulldogji is offline   (4) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 19th October 2014, 18:40   #1728
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ann Arbor
Posts: 1,692
Thanked: 3,097 Times
Default Re: Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldogji View Post
Looks much better THEN, rather than NOW!

The convertible top in the earlier picture seems to be at a rakish angle giving the car a sportier look. Somewhere during restoration, the angle has changed to a boxy look. The fender skirts also seem so unnecessary .

Take a close look at the rear fender tail edge. Seems modified to give a sharper look?

The embellishments, not needed on such a handsome car.


But then, that's my opinion.
The hood also extended farther back, closer to the spare - in the period picture.

Other differences - slanted Tri-Star originally, flag mast holder between door and semaphore (similar to Duesenberg) gone.

Given other "fender skirted" Holkar cars - Duesenberg, Lagonda, Hispano, PIII etc, I wouldn't be surprised if it did have fender skirts originally.

You are right Bulldogji, somehow the original looks more appealing!!!!

Last edited by travancore : 19th October 2014 at 18:47.
travancore is offline   (3) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 20th October 2014, 11:45   #1729
BHPian
 
mbz180's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Kolkata
Posts: 800
Thanked: 449 Times
Default Re: Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldogji View Post
Looks much better THEN, rather than NOW!

The convertible top in the earlier picture seems to be at a rakish angle giving the car a sportier look. Somewhere during restoration, the angle has changed to a boxy look. The fender skirts also seem so unnecessary . But then, that's my opinion.
I agree 100% with you that the car looked much better earlier but; I do not think the body lines of the car were tampered with during the restoration.

When I look closely at the 2 photos, it seems that every angle, whether it be the windscreen, the leading edge of the doors, the radiator grill, the rear quarter of the convertible top, the angle of the hood (bonnet) air intakes etc., all look much sleeker in the b&w photo.

Now, it does not make sense to me that a presumably world class restoration facility would change every angle on the car and make it look less sleek and more importantly, completely unoriginal. It would almost entail making a completely new body and new trims.

My humble conclusion, and I'm pretty sure this is the case, is that the b&w photo gives a distorted side profile of the car. The car looks much sleeker than it actually is.

Looking at the Duesenberg photos with the actor standing alongside the fender, there is a distortion too, a weird sort of angled look.

Looking more closely, I can surmise that the reason for the distortion is that these are not scans of the photos, hence not a flat image of the photo. Instead, these are photographs of the actual photos which the person has clicked from a side ward angle giving the cars a partially distorted look.

I think this is the reason for the unusually rakish lines of the Merc.

I've attached the 2 photos of the Duesenberg which was posted on the forum earlier and have highlighted the edges of the actual photos to clarify what I'm talking about.

These are photographs of the originals (not scans) and have been taken at an angle leading to distortion. I cannot point out the original photo's edges on the image of the 540K because it is likely that the image has been cropped so the edges aren't visible anymore except for a little bit on the top left.

Any views, gentlemen?
Attached Thumbnails
Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-sheikh-mukhtar-his-gurney-nutting-duesenberg-bombay-amer-ahmad4.jpg  

Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-sheikh-mukhtar-his-gurney-nutting-duesenberg-bombay-amer-ahmad5.jpg  


Last edited by mbz180 : 20th October 2014 at 11:47.
mbz180 is offline   (3) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 14th December 2014, 23:19   #1730
Senior - BHPian
 
FINTAIL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Bombay / Poona
Posts: 1,092
Thanked: 1,073 Times
Default Re: Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India

A Ponton in Pune.

Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-bmc9529.ponton.pune.jpg

Credits- www.theautomotiveindia.com
FINTAIL is offline   (4) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 15th December 2014, 02:38   #1731
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ann Arbor
Posts: 1,692
Thanked: 3,097 Times
Default Re: Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India

A Benz in Bombay, ca. 1910.

Messrs. Schelechtendahl & Kohler of Bombay were the Indian agents for Benz

Name:  Benz Bombay 1910.jpg
Views: 2080
Size:  136.3 KB
travancore is offline   (8) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 15th December 2014, 13:18   #1732
Senior - BHPian
 
the mole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 2,140
Thanked: 685 Times
Default Re: Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by travancore View Post
A Benz in Bombay, ca. 1910.

Messrs. Schelechtendahl & Kohler of Bombay were the Indian agents for Benz

Attachment 1318506
I think (open to correction) this is pictured at the Oval Maidan with the high court building visible at the back.

But Wow! I think this may be the oldest photograph of a Daimler Benz/Mercedes product in India
the mole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15th December 2014, 20:24   #1733
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: BOMBAY
Posts: 1,765
Thanked: 1,806 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by travancore View Post
A Benz in Bombay, ca. 1910.



Messrs. Schelechtendahl & Kohler of Bombay were the Indian agents for Benz



Attachment 1318506

Is this oval maidan ? Or around. Fantastic snap and a similar car used to be in the South . No idea on its current where abouts

Thanks for sharing

Cheers
kasli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th December 2014, 08:32   #1734
BHPian
 
Vintage Khan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: HYD/DXB/LON
Posts: 163
Thanked: 127 Times
Default Re: Pics: Vintage & Classic cars in India

123 Twins...owned by Shujath Ali Khan (of PIT STOP Madhapur fame), a prolific collector & restorer from Hyderabad...
Attached Thumbnails
Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-s1.jpg  

Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-s2.jpg  

Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-s3.jpg  

Vintage Khan is offline   (8) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 4th January 2015, 04:48   #1735
BHPian
 
Foxbat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 204
Thanked: 207 Times
Default Re: Pics: Vintage & Classic cars in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vintage Khan View Post
123 Twins...owned by Shujath Ali Khan (of PIT STOP Madhapur fame), a prolific collector & restorer from Hyderabad...
Looks like they are parked at the main entrance of the Indian School of Business, Hyderabad. Was there some event or rally there "?
Foxbat is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 17th January 2015, 00:28   #1736
Senior - BHPian
 
FINTAIL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Bombay / Poona
Posts: 1,092
Thanked: 1,073 Times
Default Re: Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India

What do we desire from a classic? Is it originality? It being in a good condition? Or is it merely about rarity?

This W123 240D is a Puneri car, that has been here for nearly 3 decades. She was originally bought by a Maharashtrian diplomat, in West Germany, circa 1984. Being a diplomatic car, I believe it ran on diplomatic plates in Berlin.

On closer observation, the car had a couple (actually- more!) of German inspection stickers, one of which began with a - "-85", presumably signifying the date of inspection to be sometime in 1985. The original Poona RC book was presumably present, and so were many German papers.

The hood was popped open- and on the chassis plate, it was, as usual inscribed- Made-In-Western-Germany.

The battery terminals had a metallic blue spray over them, IIRC- Signifying that the car had recently undergone detailing at some 3M workshop. Before you ask, the OM616 was buffed, and whilst at idle, that thing felt so damn smooth! Hardly any clatter, apart from the rhythmatic movements of the camshafts and valves. The idle was just a rapid click-click sound.

The car is now in the hands of the diplomats nephew, who is a joy to speak to. Pretty knowledgeable, and I think he mentioned that he had 2 more Mercs, one of which was a W123 coupe. So....anyway, took a coupla contacts from him, and two classic car lovers were talking business.

There is a sticker reading- SCHS on the rear windscreen. Presumably German, and nearly 3 decades old. Oh- the paint is original, as well. Number plates look nice...and period.

Ladies and gentlemen, I hereby take the wraps off......MAF 1449.

Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-a2.jpg

I looked at the mint, crackless dashboard, at the VDO Meters. The familiar dials were visible. The odometer proclaimed that she has run- 3k kilometers. (This being a Euro Market- meters were in KMPH)

WHAT!? 3k? The owner assured me, he had just done 100,000 kilometers recently. I had missed seeeing the zero on the other side of the odo, you see. LOL

Last edited by Aditya : 19th January 2015 at 12:10. Reason: As requested
FINTAIL is offline   (4) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 17th January 2015, 01:27   #1737
Senior - BHPian
 
amit V8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: kolkata
Posts: 1,064
Thanked: 177 Times
Default Re: Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India

From the Statesman rally...

Name:  IMG_20150111_084532.jpg
Views: 1345
Size:  496.0 KB

Name:  IMG_20150111_084951.jpg
Views: 1321
Size:  524.3 KB

Name:  IMG_20150111_085019.jpg
Views: 1378
Size:  542.7 KB

Name:  IMG_20150111_085032.jpg
Views: 1288
Size:  383.2 KB

Name:  IMG_20150111_085214.jpg
Views: 1279
Size:  460.0 KB
amit V8 is offline   (5) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 19th January 2015, 20:11   #1738
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Chennai, India
Posts: 243
Thanked: 73 Times
Default Re: Pics: Vintage & Classic cars in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vintage Khan View Post
123 Twins...owned by Shujath Ali Khan (of PIT STOP Madhapur fame), a prolific collector & restorer from Hyderabad...
They both look American spec with the beefed up bumpers and recessed headlights. One is however with yellow tinted foglights which makes me wonder.

That color was popular one. I think it was named Colorado Beige.
vivriti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th January 2015, 19:44   #1739
Senior - BHPian
 
vinay kamath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: MUMBAIBANGALORE
Posts: 1,092
Thanked: 1,207 Times
Default Re: Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India

A fintail 190 at New Delhi
Attached Images
 
vinay kamath is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 28th January 2015, 15:15   #1740
Senior - BHPian
 
FINTAIL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Bombay / Poona
Posts: 1,092
Thanked: 1,073 Times
Default Re: Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by vinay kamath View Post
A fintail 190 at New Delhi
This- (or a similar 1962 W110)- in blue was also for sale, in New Delhi, circa 2008.

Ladies & gentlemen, KBT 9630, W110 Fintail in Thiruvananthapuram (aka Trivandrum!) is seen here:

Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-kbt-9630-conti-auto.jpg

Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-kbt-9630-conty-auto.jpg

Another W110 in duotone (or a half-saree- as Stanher prefers to calls them!) is seen beside it. Notice the lemon below the front tyre. A shubh aarambh?

Work-in-progress () -

Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-w110-conti-auto-trivandrum.jpg

A Mill of a Heckflosse- what looks like an OM621 is seen below: Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-conti-auto-om-621.jpg

The #Evolution. Oh, W115, where art thou?
Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India-kbt-9630-evol.jpg

The car has been discussed here previously: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/vintag...india-102.html (Vintage & Classic Mercedes Benz Cars in India)

Credits to the pic: https://www.facebook.com/continentalauto - Thanks to Justin.

Last edited by Aditya : 29th January 2015 at 12:34. Reason: As requested
FINTAIL is offline   (4) Thanks Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pics: Vintage & Classic cars in India X-Machine Vintage Cars & Classics in India 2657 5th December 2016 18:24
Unidentified Vintage and Classic cars in India Julian UK Vintage Cars & Classics in India 617 19th September 2016 18:25
Procedures to move Vintage/ Classic cars between states in India bluestraveller Vintage Cars & Classics in India 33 7th April 2015 14:17
A tribute to a Vintage Man : similar to a vintage car or vintage wine StarVegabond Shifting gears 3 12th October 2009 14:49


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 16:12.

Copyright 2000 - 2016, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks