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Old 27th December 2009, 06:42   #241
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RYJ does not appear in my 1902 list and RY is not a 1939 or 1947 series. I would have to guess that it is:
a) a made up number for display,
b) a UK number,
c) a mistake for RJY that is a 1939 & 1947 series,
d) an unknown pre 1939 series

I think the owner may be the only one to know the truth on this one.

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Number plates starting with RJ is Rajasthan number plate. So RJY could be old Rajasthan Number. RYJ could be RJY (a mistake)

From Wikipedia:-
RJ 27 14M 2463, is a vehicle registered in Udaipur, Rajasthan State.

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Sorry for being offtopic but does anybody know where TR 01 registration is for ?Saw a maruti omni today with this reg number on it.Heres a pic below of the number plate.
TR---- is Tripura Number plate. See below list from Wikipedia.

2 letter Codes- STATES

Andhra Pradesh- AP
Arunachal Pradesh-AR
Assam- AS
Bihar- BR
Chattisgarh- CG
Goa- GA
Gujarat- GJ
Haryana- HR
Himachal Pradesh- HP
Jammu & Kashmir- JK
Jharkhand- JH
Karnataka- KA
Kerala- KL
Madhya Pradesh- MP
Maharashtra- MH
Manipur- MN
Meghalaya- ML
Mizoram- MZ
Nagaland- NL
Orissa- OR
Punjab- PB
Rajasthan- RJ
Sikkim- SK
Tamil Nadu- TN
Tripura- TR
Utarakhand- UA
Uttar Pradesh- UP
West Bengal- WB

2 Letter Code - UNION TERRITORITIES:-
Andaman & Nicobar- AN
Chandigarh- CH
Dadra & Nagar Haveli- DN
Daman & Diu- DD
Delhi- DL
LakshadWeep- LD
Pondicherry- PY

Andaman & NicobarAN
ChandigarhCH
Dadra and Nagar HaveliDN
Daman & DiuDD
DelhiDL
LakshadweepLD
PondicherryPY

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Old 27th December 2009, 14:19   #243
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thankx for the clarification.


i had another quarey and that is where was US assigned to?

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i had another quarey and that is where was US assigned to?
US series is from Uttar Pradesh.
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There's a very old car (Austin?) near my house that's in a decrepit state. The license plate is still very clear though - DEN 1. Sometimes I wish I could just unscrew that and frame it on my wall.
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Number plates starting with RJ is Rajasthan number plate. So RJY could be old Rajasthan Number. RYJ could be RJY (a mistake
RR and RN were also a Rajasthan series apart from RJ prior to 1989.

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US series is from Uttar Pradesh.
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Apart from US Uttar Pradesh also had UA,UG,UH,UR and UT prior to 01.06.1989 when the new MV Act 1988 came into being streamlining the numbering in all states and U/T's.
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Bumpu restored this very nice 1952 Bentley MK VI a number of years ago with WBE-1 Plates.

I will ask him if he can get some history on the Plate Number. I'm sure they cost a premium, how much would be interesting to know.
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I will ask him if he can get some history on the Plate Number. I'm sure they cost a premium, how much would be interesting to know.
I'm not sure about Calcutta but over here, a brand new number with the single digit '1' is known as "VIP" number and costs about 1 lac if you yourself reserve/request it for your vehicle while registering. Even used ones (sold illegally only) I'm sure would go for a fancy price; I heard the regn. APC 1 that belonged to a green select that was sadly scrapped here (posted the pics. some time ago) was sold by the scrapman for a hefty price, albeit may not be equal to that of a new regn. legally alloted!

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Uttar Pradesh had the US & UP series running concurrently , the first series in Lucknow was USJ , whereas in Kanpur the first series was UPR & USK came later .
Surprisingly USA was shared by both Agra ( in the West ) & Gonda ( in the East ) with USA 1 to USA 5000 with the Agra RTO and 5001 to 9999 with Gonda RTO.
The US.. & UP.. series ran through till early 70's.

The other series since then were :

UT.. : 1973 onwards. UTW & UTZ were both Kanpur series
UR.. : late 70's
UH.. : early 80's
UA.. : 84
UG.. : mid to late 80's
UV.. : Last alphabetical series before changing to UP ..

UP 01 to UP 07 belonged to districts which later formed Uttarakhand. So now UP 01 ~ 07 no longer exist.
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I'm not sure about Calcutta but over here, a brand new number with the single digit '1' is known as "VIP" number and costs about 1 lac if you yourself reserve/request it for your vehicle while registering. Even used ones (sold illegally only) I'm sure would go for a fancy price; I heard the regn. APC 1 that belonged to a green select that was sadly scrapped here (posted the pics. some time ago) was sold by the scrapman for a hefty price, albeit may not be equal to that of a new regn. legally alloted!
True Stanher, today its money power that gets one VIP numbers but earlier money no doubt played a part but most of it was illegal transactions with the transport authorities. Most of the VIP numbers were allocated to people in power or eminent people and also to those close to the transport authorities and politicians.Even the local RTO office head and his trusted men had enough powers to allocate VIP numbers.
But today the scenario is different.The RTO office head gets phone calls from politicians to allocate particular numbers to persons of their choice. One also pays and gets a receipt for the VIP number in most states.The prices are fixed depending upon the number sought. It is either auctioned or sold at a premium. Besides the receipt, there are many cases where power and money are used apart from the legal payment to get particular numbers that are most in demand.
In Maharashtra there is a huge list detailing each number in a Marathi OM by the transport department and the legal price one has to pay for it is listed alongwith.

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and in Punjab you have to bid an auction for all the fancy numbers with no 1 having the start price of fifty thousand, and usually it goes for 4-5 lacs every 3 months the new series starts,this started approx 2 years ago, before that it was the price (50K ) and Influence.
i have PB XXC-1 on my innova 06 model and PBXX 0001 on my skoda laura
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Here are some interesting specimens to study. More info here

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/vintag...s-cars-61.html

The Paigah cars - with their own series!
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A Wolseley with possibly early Madras registration.
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Hillman with old Hyderabad series - probably later changed to APX 519.
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Gents,
The old photos are great. Many thanks for sharing and for the uploading.

What I know......
The Paigah picture shows typical Hyderabad plates from the first series (probably about 1902 onwards). The middle row shows cars with standard plates rather than the 'special' Paigah plates on the front row. I am attaching the only known such plate in collector's hands that is said to be from 1937. Beautiful plates and standard plates were all like this we believe.
I guess being a rather influential family, they decided to have their own Paigah plates cast (aluminium). Nice! Pity none survive I guess.

The Norton T 204; starting in 1902, Bombay issued plates with no letter then a prefix of Z, Y, X, W, T, N and K. Just when T would have been issued I don't know.

MC over Z 645 is a typical Madras City plate from the earliest registrations. They issued MC xxxx and then followed it with MCA, MCB etc, etc (or they had different letters for different parts of the city I suppose). They usually put the serial letter under the MC as in the picture and the attached I acquired from TeamBHP. I have a few more poor photos of other serial letters under the MC.

Happy New Year to all in a couple of days and may there be many more old photos for 2010.
Cheers
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The Paigah picture shows typical Hyderabad plates from the first series (probably about 1902 onwards). The middle row shows cars with standard plates rather than the 'special' Paigah plates on the front row. I am attaching the only known such plate in collector's hands that is said to be from 1937. Beautiful plates and standard plates were all like this we believe.
I guess being a rather influential family, they decided to have their own Paigah plates cast (aluminium). Nice! Pity none survive I guess.
What an intricate plate that is - I wonder what it would cost today to have one made!
Anyone familiar with this "Deccan Button Factory"? It is inscribed on the plate, probably the manufacturer.

On zooming in I can see the cars bear the old series Hyderabad plates like you mention, plus also Paigah plates alongside.

First row - Left to right -
  • Buick 8 cabrio - PAIGAH 8 / 292
  • Packard Clipper - PAIGAH 2 / 172
  • Chrysler Town and Country (?) hardtop - PAIGAH 3 / 440
  • Cadillac convertible - PAIGAH 1 / 17
Second row -
  • Willys station wagon - PAIGAH x / 929 (?)
  • Wolseley ?
  • Ford Woody - PAIGAH x / 493 (?)
  • Rolls Royce - 791
  • Rolls Royce - 3087 or 3097
Others are not clear enough.
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Here are some interesting specimens to study. More info here. The Paigah cars - with their own series!
I feel that Paigah had normal Hyderabad registration numbers and simply put their name alongside.

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What I know......
The Paigah picture shows typical Hyderabad plates from the first series (probably about 1902 onwards). The middle row shows cars with standard plates rather than the 'special' Paigah plates on the front row. I am attaching the only known such plate in collector's hands that is said to be from 1937. Beautiful plates and standard plates were all like this we believe.
I guess being a rather influential family, they decided to have their own Paigah plates cast (aluminium).

The Norton T 204; starting in 1902, Bombay issued plates with no letter then a prefix of Z, Y, X, W, T, N and K. Just when T would have been issued I don't know.

Cheers
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In the days of old, number plates and name plates were often a one piece casting. If one looked closely, one would see how each letter/number was placed separately in the mould and cast. For cars it was usually aluminium, for homes it was in brass. Later on only digits were cast and screwed on a metal plate. Now we just paint them, some are embossed but we have still not been able to implement the tamper proof number plate system.

Bombay registrations started in 1902, first numbers, then a BOM series, then a BOM Z 1234 series and then BOM was droppped.

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On zooming in I can see the cars bear the old series Hyderabad plates like you mention, plus also Paigah plates alongside.

First row - Left to right .......................
As you can see, they could not have had 3000 odd cars, so in all probability they used regular Hyderabady registrations and added their own. As such special numbers carried the name of a state, not a family. I believe Paigah were ministers in the Nizam's court, not a separate state.

Very interesting discussion, sad to hear that most of their buildings have been pulled down.

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