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Old 13th February 2010, 23:41   #46
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Not correct. This is a crash test of a fin tail where crumple zones were demonstrated. I think that the padding on the steering did not really offer any protection. That was probably more decorative, just see the diameter of the padding, it is really not sufficient to save anybody.





I had a very hard look at the car and am not sure which model was involved. This is a 1959 car, the rear looks like a 220S, the front more like a 180/190. The article said 220S.
Did not the last 220S Ponton run concurrently with the first fintails?

Just wondering.

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Yes, you are correct. The Fintail and the Ponton were in production concurrently in 1959 and 1960. However, I do-not recollect seeing a padded steering wheel in a Ponton. May be there are Ponton's with a padded steering wheel but I have not seen one.
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The photograph of the car in the crash test is that of a W 110 - Fintail and not of a Ponton. The W-110's were introduced after they discontinued production of the Ponton.
Thats not true there was a time when there was a brief overlap of Ponton and Fintype production at the Sindelfengen factory. I have a photograph in office of the production floor where both are being produced on the same assembly line. Unofficially Mercedes had already begun testing the Fin type prototype in 1959 I have seen this original test video at the museum in Stuttgart. In fact they have a original crash test car displayed there.

The padded steering came from post 1959, in the 180 b types. A result of the crash tests. I have a Ponton advertisement which declares this. No just the steering but even the dashboard in a fin type was padded, it was not possible to accomodate it in the Ponton . Anyways it were to be phased out in 2 odd years. The new steering was however considered a big step up in the safety standard of that time.

I will post the photo on Monday.

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Thats not true there was a time when there was a brief overlap of Ponton and Fintype production at the Sindelfengen factory. I have a photograph in office of the production floor where both are being produced on the same assembly line. Unofficially Mercedes had already begun testing the Fin type prototype in 1959 I have seen this original test video at the museum in Stuttgart. In fact they have a original crash test car displayed there.
The padded steering came from post 1959, in the 180 b types. A result of the crash tests. I have a Ponton advertisement which declares this. No just the steering but even the dashboard in a fin type was padded, it was not possible to accomodate it in the Ponton . Anyways it were to be phased out in 2 odd years. The new steering was however considered a big step up in the safety standard of that time.



I have never denied that the W 110 and the Ponton were in production during the year 1959, in fact I have mentioned that in my earlier post. I have just said that I have not seen a Ponton with a padded steering wheel. You may be correct in saying that some of the late 180 b's had a padded steering wheel.

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hi sir the first production fin tail is 1959 because i know about an car belonged to kumar sidhanna 220s reg no MYZ196 this was the best fintail in bangalore in that time
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I have just said that I have not seen a Ponton with a padded steering wheel. You may be correct in saying that some of the late 180 b's had a padded steering wheel.
Sorry I had only read your earlier post.

My argument regarding the padded steering and it being linked to safety is based on the advertisement below, the date is stamped on the advertisement. Also there is a mention of more padding on the dashboard. Though I dont think there was any dramatic change in dashboard design for the later pontons.

Also attached is photograph of the assembly line in the early sixties clearly showing both the models, in production at the same time.
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Dear Amol,

Nice pictures you have posted.
Now we all agree that the fintail was te first car crash tested, and that the production of the ponton and fintail were overlapping for a while.
What I cannot believe is that the crash test of a fintail resulted in a padded steering on a ponton. This padded steering wheel, whether on a fintail or a ponton, would have made a minimal difference. I doubt whether it saved lives.
But that small point apart, I like the pictures.

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I hope the MB gurus will indulge me this little foray into their territory. I'm not quoting any of the above posts in particular, as I believe that Mercedes Benz nomenclature can be a little confusing. The W110, from what little I know, followed the W111 AND W112 a couple of years, and one year respectively, later after they were introduced - although they were all 'Fintails'. It was therefore the W111 that was around in '59. The nice picture above also clearly shows the W111/112 sharing shop-floor space with the Ponton and W110, with the 1961 dateline marked on the snap making sense too.

Just a humble submission from my geriatric memory - experts and netizens can enlighten us further.
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Sorry I had only read your earlier post.

My argument regarding the padded steering and it being linked to safety is based on the advertisement below, the date is stamped on the advertisement. Also there is a mention of more padding on the dashboard. Though I dont think there was any dramatic change in dashboard design for the later pontons.

Also attached is photograph of the assembly line in the early sixties clearly showing both the models, in production at the same time.
Thanks for the pictures. You were absolutely correct about the padding on the Ponton Steering as is evident from the pictures and the Advert. Thanks for this, I was not aware of a padded steering in a Ponton.
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I hope the MB gurus will indulge me this little foray into their territory. I'm not quoting any of the above posts in particular, as I believe that Mercedes Benz nomenclature can be a little confusing. The W110, from what little I know, followed the W111 AND W112 a couple of years, and one year respectively, later after they were introduced - although they were all 'Fintails'. It was therefore the W111 that was around in '59. The nice picture above also clearly shows the W111/112 sharing shop-floor space with the Ponton and W110, with the 1961 dateline marked on the snap making sense too.

Just a humble submission from my geriatric memory - experts and netizens can enlighten us further.
And then they introduced the W 100 in 1963. That was the 600. So we add to the confusion.

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And then they introduced the W 100 in 1963. That was the 600. So we add to the confusion.

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And the W 201 came before the W 124 !!

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Dear Friends,

I have just spotted a W124 300D 1982 Automatic, which I contemplate to buy. but the car has been kept neglected for quite a long time and it needs a lot of work to bring it back to its past glory. Request for your advice on it.

I would request for your help on the following pointslease:

1- How to check if the Automatic transmission is perfect or Not??? it shifts with a thud, the transition is not smooth when you drive it.

2- The Air Conditioning is not working, all the belts have been removed????

3- The sun roof is not working???

4- How about the availability and pricing of parts for this particular vehicle, like Sun Roof Switch, Shockers (Front and Rear), Auto Transmission rings, seals, suspension kit, brake pads etc.

By the sound engine seems to be perfect but how to get it checked and also it is very sluggish on the pick-up. My budget is approximately 3L.

I am interested in buying this if only it is possible to get it into mint condition.

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1- How to check if the Automatic transmission is perfect or Not??? it shifts with a thud, the transition is not smooth when you drive it.

2- The Air Conditioning is not working, all the belts have been removed????

3- The sun roof is not working???

4- How about the availability and pricing of parts for this particular vehicle, like Sun Roof Switch, Shockers (Front and Rear), Auto Transmission rings, seals, suspension kit, brake pads etc.
!!!

Sounds like it needs a good servce. Response to your points

1: A fluid change might help - if not could be something more. Thud could be due to low/ poor fluid

2: An A/c specialist could tell you - might be compressor or mere electircal problem. If A/c is weak points to former, if not at all, could be latter

3: Sunroof - could be motor also - need to remove and test. Switch may not be problem as it might not be used as much.

4: sunfoor and auto part excepted most parts are availalbe. BTW w124 came out in 1983 not 1982- are yuo refering to a 1992?
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Dear Friends,

I have just spotted a W124 300D 1982 Automatic, which I contemplate to buy. but the car has been kept neglected for quite a long time and it needs a lot of work to bring it back to its past glory. Request for your advice on it.

I would request for your help on the following pointslease:

1- How to check if the Automatic transmission is perfect or Not??? it shifts with a thud, the transition is not smooth when you drive it.

2- The Air Conditioning is not working, all the belts have been removed????

3- The sun roof is not working???

4- How about the availability and pricing of parts for this particular vehicle, like Sun Roof Switch, Shockers (Front and Rear), Auto Transmission rings, seals, suspension kit, brake pads etc.

By the sound engine seems to be perfect but how to get it checked and also it is very sluggish on the pick-up. My budget is approximately 3L.

I am interested in buying this if only it is possible to get it into mint condition.

Thanks & cheers!!!!!!!!!
A W124 though a nice car, has a long way to go till it achieves classic status, The diesels are sluggish, the transmission should be very smooth and noise free. I would advice you to pick a car with low mileage, and sparingly used problem free example. For a W124 Its not still worth breaking your head on a lemon. The car you describe seems to have niggling issues, what mileage does it have on it?
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A W124 though a nice car, has a long way to go till it achieves classic status, The diesels are sluggish, the transmission should be very smooth and noise free. I would advice you to pick a car with low mileage, and sparingly used problem free example. For a W124 Its not still worth breaking your head on a lemon. The car you describe seems to have niggling issues, what mileage does it have on it?
Hi Mole, IMO the only cars to really achieve Classic status as and when in the 124's are going to be the Coupes and Cabrios. The saloons have no place at any time, millions of which were produced from '83 to '97.
The 5 cylinder early 300D may have been a liitle sluggish but the pump could be recalibrated to improve the perfomance substantially. The newer E250D that we had in India were not sluggish at all, not mine atleast.

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Thanks for your response, the odometer is showing 96K. Can I get a W124 250 D 1995 onwards manual transmission at a fair price, which is in a reasonably good condition.

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