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Old 7th August 2010, 15:58   #76
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The green tax is meant to be a disincentive to own an old car. But 3,000 bucks every 5 years (or 600 per annum) is hardly a disincentive. Too low and thus, ineffective toward the intended purpose. A typical half-hearted approach from the Government which doesn't really solve anything.
they should have made it at least Rs.5000/- per annum if it should even have an iota of disincentiveness
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This green tax thing and concern for the environment by the Maharashtra Govt. is an eyewash meant to fool the public. And as a side benefit, brings some more money into government coffers. Notice how they did not say where this money will be utilised. When Indira G was in power, the price of petrol was increased by Rs 1/- to go to a fund for road building. This was in the 1970's, so soooooooooooo much money should have been collected. But whenever the government build a stretch of good roads, or a bridge, we still have to pay toll.
For the environment and pollution by cars, we have the PUC. Apparently that is a total failure, if strictly enforced we would be better of. Putting some money in the government coffers will not clean the air.
The key is proper maintainance and tuning of engines. Just look at government cars. 3 days back I saw a white government 118NE belching smoke as if someone was smoking a peace pipe in the engine bay.
Our ministers make a lot of study tours abroad to study the functioning of various aspects of governance over "THERE". I strongly suggest that they go to Germany, and spend time at the TUV centers (u comes with an umlaut) and see how polluting cars are kept in check/off the road. And a system is in place so that non-conformists are spotted, like a tag on the number plate. Then, levels of emissions are checked on all old cars, and given a colour code, green, yellow and red. All cars can legally be driven, but some cities like Berlin, Koeln and more do not permit red and yellow tagged cars to enter the city.
And the numberplate system India is yet to implement, what a scandal, a joke, even after 3 or 4 years we cannot introduce tamper proof number plates. They are already available, fitted to many high end cars, only authorities have to put a system and then seals in place.
Many of the older government cars are not maintained properly. Maybe they get the work done by the lowest bidder of a tendering process. Maharashtra Raj Bhavan had a couple of Mercs 126. They were not serviced by Mercedes authorised service station, but by a workshop at Mahalaxmi. I know because I saw the cars there, and they also had their stickers. Have you ever seen a smoking Qualis? Just look closer to some of Qualis Governement vehicles.
So, by the logic of the government, when we remove the 5/10 000 old cars plying in Mumbai, the level of polution will come down. The old Premier Taxi's can continue till they are 25 years old.
What good governance!!

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1. Good thing is that we have CPCB (central Pollution Control Board), who have set strict norms for pollution.

2. Bad thing is no one follows it. Green tax is not the solution to curb the problem. And if implementation of any system was to work, it would have worked long before.

If we do emmission check every 6 months and keet it under control, it would serve in the long run. But at the testing centre the readings are always within limit ever wondered why? They are paid only for that

It is totally an eye wash. In Bangalore all 3 wheelers run on LPG as a rule but then they mix more engine oil cause of the dryness of LPG, there by again polliting (although lesser than petrol emissions).

In mumbai all the taxis run on CNG, the pollution caused by them is negligible. So atleast they are out of this. But what about diesel taxis, within a year they smoke like hell. Will they be left free.

Scrapping of the car is also not the solution, maintinance is the key to it.

The members on Forum here are all informed and educated. They adhere to rules. But how much % of population are we? 0.1% or may be 0.01 or even lesser. What about rest, "chod na yaar, pakade gaye to 50 ka tika denge" (leave it dude, if caught we will give a Rs. 50 bill). If that is the attitude, how will a system work. I have seen few officers (concerned with cars) whose finances have incereased many fold in just few years, changing cars every year is peanuts for them. Now no one is given rokda without a reason.

And as Amol and Harit said we comman man has to pay it for the Select few in the country. The only problem is that I am not the benificairy.
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This clipping appeared in the DNA yesterday.

Govt planning to phase out 20 yr old PRIVATE cars - 25.06.09, Mumbai TOI, pg 3-dna.jpg
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Some Ideas which should help to manage the emissions and give us a cleaner atmosphere;

1. Introduce a High Congestion Parking Charge within all city centre limits - encourage car pooling and promote public transport usage.
2. Increase penetration of VOLVO Buses and high quality public transport to outlying suburbs and residential areas as well.
3. Special Taxes for Non compliance with clearly defined emission norms
4. All taxis, public transport buses, private inter-city buses and intra city mini buses and other transportation machines like autorickshaws etc should run on CNG only
5. Freely available CNG across India - encourage proliferation via private enterprise by giving grants to disabled, ex Service-men etc for setting up CNG + Electric Hi Speed Charge bunks in partnership with the Major Oil companies including the private ones.
6. Thirty Year 100% Tax and Excise Exemption Holiday for CNG Fuel - hence encouraging production, supply, demand, early adoption and consumer conversion.
7. All vehicles which are more than 15 years old but are still plying for commercial gain and/or public transport to be pulled off the roads and scrapped/ re-cycled.
8. 100% Tax and excise exemption for Thirty Years on ALL CNG, DUO, Micro Hybrid, Hybrid and Electric Vehicles to encourage private users to buy and manufacturers to make more of these as an alternative offering to petrol and diesel power.
9. Petrol and Diesel prices to be settled at one single MRP across India on per litre basis as is the case with all other consumer products.

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This clipping appeared in the DNA yesterday.
Karl this sounds good. Wish the TOI also publishes this. Are you a memeber of the VCCCI? I've been thinking about this for a while now and had commented about this green tax in the Insurance thread but got no responses from fellow forum members there. I had not seen this thread until now, so guess I posted in the wrong place. I would like to hear the views of vintage car collectors who have a larger collection in maharashtra. There should be a campaign to protest this unfair tax on vintage vehicles. A few voices of protest and a couple of colunms in the news papers woudl certainly put the govt on the back foot on this nonsense. I've seen what protests can do with the NA tax increase that the revenue dept of maharashtra and collector tried to collect recently, the increase was in about 1000 or more times.

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I think the idea is not that good. Look at the people owning 20 year + cars. mostly retired folk who may not even drive 3000km a year! Also, many of them are living hand to mouth (remember pensions were not near universal ages ago), with no reason for or hope of buying a new car. What is the additional pollution they produce - almost nil. Definitely, far less than what a 30+ SUV convoy of netas, stopping all traffic for them to pass does.

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Completely Agree with you sgiitk.There is really no great impact either on environment or increase in revenues to the Govt. by implementing this rule.
Just see the percentage of old cars and then think how much is the relative impact.
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A court case is pending admission in the Nagpur Bench of the Mumbai High Court. The finer points on the petition and the reliefs sought can be viewed on this thread:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...harashtra.html (Green TAX in Maharashtra)

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We've been dealing with the same kind of junk legislation here in the US for years. Luckily we have a lot of organizations like SEMA to keep the bureaucrats in line. You guy's need something like that over there to protect you.
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We've been dealing with the same kind of junk legislation here in the US for years. Luckily we have a lot of organizations like SEMA to keep the bureaucrats in line. You guy's need something like that over there to protect you.
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A court case is pending admission in the Nagpur Bench of the Mumbai High Court. The finer points on the petition and the reliefs sought can be viewed on this thread:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...harashtra.html (Green TAX in Maharashtra)
Another civil suit has been filed in the Nagpur Bench of the Mumbai High Court yesterday, seeking to quash the govt notification that levies the draconian Green Tax.
This is the second civil suit that has been filed in the past few weeks.
Will post details as these come up for admission hearing and interim orders if any.
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One thing to remember is that antique cars have already "paid" for their construction by virtue of their age. When people with "green" cars complain about the emissions put out by older cars ask them how many emissions were made to build their cars? At least an antique car is 100% recyclable, can't say that about newer cars with all the plastic in them. Who's the polluter now?
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