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Old 19th December 2014, 14:07   #3256
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Can we have a better resolution of the roadster to identify the make. 5 guys as that the number of pair of feet counted. Cheers



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Are all these Agiary's in Mumbai? And what does the text in Gujrati say?







I really don't know what car this is. American yes but which one? On the hubcap something like an "S" may be seen, but Studebaker? I'm not sure.

The car below is nice, probably American roadster, would not mind having one. It's a period shot of guys on an outing, see the gramophone. I don't see a picnic basket or an ice box. Good boys. BTW, how many guys are there?

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Are all these Agiary's in Mumbai? And what does the text in Gujrati say?
I can recognise 1T as the Bandra Agiary, still more or less the same. The car is maybe a Hillman Minx?

I also recognise 2T as the one on DN Road - with some fascinating details in the architecture. (http://mumbaireadyreckoner.org/2010/...vatcha-agiary/)

3T already has the details mentioned. Afraid I can't help you with Gujarati text.
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Dear Harit and Karl - there are two Gujarati texts. "Roj" means day. "Mah" means month. "ES" means "Eeswi San" or year as per the parsi calendar. "Ervad" means parsi priest. Translations are as follows:

1. Pirojbai Maneckji Vatcha ni Agiary, Roj Ardibehst, Mar Adar, ES 1250, 19 May 1881.
2. Ervad Nusserwanji Ratanji Tata, Roj Behram, Mah Scheherevar, ES 1253, 6 March 1884.

These photographs are priceless.

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The images below were found sometime back on ebay, they are supposed to be from Ranchi. Can we date the pictures looking at the make of the car and the Bike ? also what car is this ?
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The images below were found sometime back on ebay, they are supposed to be from Ranchi. Can we date the pictures looking at the make of the car and the Bike ? also what car is this ?
To the best of my knowledge the car is a "Renault" there is a similar one in India in the Sanghi collection will dig out the picture and send it through as well.
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also what car is this ?
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To the best of my knowledge the car is a "Renault" there is a similar one in India in the Sanghi collection will dig out the picture and send it through as well.
The car is a Renault AX Tourer. Relatively famous among pre-war cars, sold in multiple countries, used both personally and commercially.

The motorcycle had me foxed. In the 7th pic a close up of the engine can be seen. There is a portion of the engine sticking out conspicuously.

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It isn't a V-Twin (ruling out most American motorcycles) or a parallel twin. At first I thought it was a transversely placed twin cylinder, but soon realized it was a single with a round, flowered head. So it could be a Blackburne Engine.

But is the bike a Blackburne? Difficult to say, considering Blackburne engines were used by 70 manufacturers, in Europe and US.

The next elimination was going by the Union Jack flying on the handlebar. A British make then.

The last elimination was going by the front Girder forks, usually preserved for the sporty variants in the earlier days of motorcycling. That, with a little help from Google Baba, make me conclude that the bike is a 1925 Henley-Blackburne Sports frame.

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Can we date the pictures looking at the make of the car and the Bike ?
The car is from between 1908 to 1915. The motorcycle is from 1925. I'd say its a mid 20's photograph.

Inputs from the Gurus welcome.
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The images below were found sometime back on ebay, they are supposed to be from Ranchi. Can we date the pictures looking at the make of the car and the Bike ? also what car is this ?
Nice find. Note the only digit registration numbers too.

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The car is a Renault AX Tourer. Relatively famous among pre-war cars, sold in multiple countries, used both personally and commercially.
The car does look like a Renault or a contemporary French car, though I can't confirm the model. They all looked the same to me

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The motorcycle had me foxed. In the 7th pic a close up of the engine can be seen. There is a portion of the engine sticking out conspicuously.


The last elimination was going by the front Girder forks, usually preserved for the sporty variants in the earlier days of motorcycling. That, with a little help from Google Baba, make me conclude that the bike is a 1925 Henley-Blackburne Sports frame.
My initial reaction when I saw the photo was to call it a BSA of some sort, though I must admit my knowledge on these bikes is limited.

But tweety bird tells me that it is most likely to be a 550cc BSA H2, from around 1919ish. It does seem to match up better.

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My initial reaction when I saw the photo was to call it a BSA of some sort, though I must admit my knowledge on these bikes is limited.

But tweety bird tells me that it is most likely to be a 550cc BSA H2, from around 1919ish. It does seem to match up better.
Spot on champ. As I had said, my speculation on the bike model started with the shape of the engine head, hence the narrowing down on Blackburne.

How does one become a friend of Tweety bird?
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The car does look like a Renault or a contemporary French car, though I can't confirm the model. They all looked the same to me
Tweety came back to tell us that the pretty French car is no Renault, but in fact a 1913ish Clément Bayard 4M Cabriolet which has the very distinctive chassis front dumb irons. They have a very tight curve to them, Renault cars never had this shape of dumb iron.

A quick image search confirms it.

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Tweety came back to tell us that the pretty French car is no Renault, but in fact a 1913ish Clément Bayard 4M Cabriolet which has the very distinctive chassis front dumb irons. They have a very tight curve to them, Renault cars never had this shape of dumb iron.
Hmm, well tbhp is an endless learning process. Again I was guided by the bonnet and the dumb irons, not realizing that the shape of the latter is slightly different. Here's a pic of the AX tourer for comparison.

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Tweety came back to tell us that the pretty French car is no Renault, but in fact a 1913ish Clément Bayard 4M Cabriolet which has the very distinctive chassis front dumb irons. They have a very tight curve to them, Renault cars never had this shape of dumb iron.

A quick image search confirms it.

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Repeating what is common knowledge, both Tbhp and Tweety are treasure trove of inform .

coming back to the topic, do we have any survivors of this car in India ?
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One from the family album..
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One from the family album..
Lovely! One of my favourite kinds of pics!

Do you recall what colour the car was? And the location (numberplate not visible clearly in the pic.- looks like an ME? or MS? )

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Do you recall what colour the car was? And the number (not visible clearly in the pic.- looks like an ME? )
The car belonged to my mom's cousin, it was way prior to my birth. I'll pass on your queries to him.

He had this Standard for quite some time and then moved on to an Ambassador. Mom tells me he met with a big accident in the Amby around 75ish. He was hurt pretty bad, but luckily there weren't any fatalities. But since then he hasn't owned any car.
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Was fortunate enough to be gifted these 2 little B & W photos by an elderly neighbour today! She doesn't know how or where she'd got them from or any other details. The gent in the pics. seems to be a Brit and the car a 1935-ish Wolseley "new fourteen." The building right behind has been identified by a friend from Bangalore as Bangalore Town Hall, which was built in 1935 by the philanthropist Sir K P Puttana Chetty:

http://www.filmapia.com/sites/defaul...-town-hall.JPG

http://www.bangalorebest.com/discove...eLine/town.php

and the circular building in the background is of the Bangalore city corporation:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._bangalore.jpg

Going by the numberplates, the pic. was definitely pre-1939, maybe when the building had just been finished? Car may have been brand new then, in that case?

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