Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > What Car?


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 2nd June 2011, 18:14   #16
GTO
Team-BHP Support
 
GTO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 47,735
Thanked: 89,299 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

Buying an 11 year old, 90000 kms example of a car which had a reputation for niggling issues & expensive hard-to-find parts is just bad news. Sorry, but I cannot recommend buying a used Astra today. The Astra was one of the reasons GM decided to drop the Opel brand altogether from India. The reliability & parts availability are bad enough, but do you even have the time required to maintain such a car?

Quote:
Will the money I save on Fuel be spent on Maintenance?
Buying an Astra diesel to save $$$ on fuel is like getting an AK47 because you're scared of someone robbing your car stereo!
GTO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd June 2011, 19:32   #17
Distinguished - BHPian
 
dhanushs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bathery/BLR
Posts: 3,446
Thanked: 4,055 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

Quote:
Originally Posted by supremeBaleno View Post
BTW, what's the FE of the Astra you are getting ?
The car gives about 11-12kmpl in city and 14-15kmpl on the highway.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghodlur View Post
Dont the Opels get serviced at the GM workshops?
Yes, they do.
Quote:
Originally Posted by xander View Post
Post 90K, the major repairs done were:...
Thanks for sharing the info.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTO View Post
Buying an Astra diesel to save $$$ on fuel is like getting an AK47 because you're scared of someone robbing your car stereo!
Hmm.. that is an interesting way to see it.


However, after the responses, I have decided to give this thought some time. In the meanwhile, let the responses about the car and its maintenance flow.
dhanushs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd June 2011, 19:44   #18
BHPian
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Trichur
Posts: 97
Thanked: 18 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

I had an Astra myself, and the only reason I sold it was the maintanence costs. It would bleed money even if parked.I would stay away.

I know of a sliver Astra, owned by a lady doc and in Trichur. If that is the one you are talking about, I can vouch for the fact that it hasnt spent much time in repair centres.
ronin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd June 2011, 14:04   #19
Distinguished - BHPian
 
supremeBaleno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Weekdays@Chennai, Weekends@Kerala
Posts: 5,164
Thanked: 1,638 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhanushs
The car gives about 11-12kmpl in city and 14-15kmpl on the highway.
The reason I asked FE details was to know whether your purpose would be solved by buying an old M800 at about the same (or lesser) price than the Astra, but which will give an FE of say 18-20 on highways. The price differential between petrol and diesel would be balanced by the higher FE.

Maintenance would be cheap and no issue about spares too. Also, you mentioned that a hatch would be good enough for the purpose.
supremeBaleno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd June 2011, 15:07   #20
Distinguished - BHPian
 
dhanushs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bathery/BLR
Posts: 3,446
Thanked: 4,055 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

Quote:
Originally Posted by supremeBaleno View Post
The reason I asked FE details was to know whether your purpose would be solved by buying an old M800 at about the same (or lesser) price than the Astra, but which will give an FE of say 18-20 on highways. The price differential between petrol and diesel would be balanced by the higher FE.
Yes, I am considering the possibility of buying a mpfi 800. The Astra was considered ONLY because its a known car. No other Astra will be considered.

Also, the difference in petrol and diesel is too high for even the humble 800 to make sense.
dhanushs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd June 2011, 22:52   #21
BHPian
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: .
Posts: 479
Thanked: 111 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTO View Post
Buying an Astra diesel to save $$$ on fuel is like getting an AK47 because you're scared of someone robbing your car stereo!
.

Does anyone know about the Corsa? Is it worth the risk? Are they a pain to maintain? I am on the look out for a car for my mom which would be do about 100km a week. driven probably by a middle aged part time driver. Since the running will be low fuel is not an issue. I was thinking palio, corsa and a few marutis. Ofcourse the budget is limited.
YaeJay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th June 2011, 13:17   #22
Senior - BHPian
 
svsantosh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Hosur
Posts: 3,309
Thanked: 1,389 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

Hi dhanush, Why so much confusion. If you ready to RISK 50-70 or even a Lac, just half your risk by getting a Sequential LPG Kit with a tiny toroidal tank, it is mapped to your ECU and wont screw your engine as fast as a entry level LPG kit with no link to the ECU. IIRC, a Seq LPG kit works out to 30-35K, and the installer sits with you in the car and tunes/maps the kit to the ECU - a very through job and you should start seeing a BIG reduction in fuel bills.

Just Give it a thought...
svsantosh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th June 2011, 14:41   #23
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 2,376
Thanked: 528 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

If running cost is the concern, why don't you consider fitting a LPG/CNG kit, which will cost much lesser then buying a used Astra? But I also read that Ikons are not conversion friendly. Another option is to swap your petrol Ikon for a pre-owned diesel ikon
Guna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th June 2011, 12:54   #24
Distinguished - BHPian
 
dhanushs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bathery/BLR
Posts: 3,446
Thanked: 4,055 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guna View Post
If running cost is the concern, why don't you consider fitting a LPG/CNG kit, which will cost much lesser then buying a used Astra? But I also read that Ikons are not conversion friendly. Another option is to swap your petrol Ikon for a pre-owned diesel ikon
Quote:
Originally Posted by svsantosh View Post
Hi dhanush, Why so much confusion. If you ready to RISK 50-70 or even a Lac, just half your risk by getting a Sequential LPG Kit with a tiny toroidal tank, it is mapped to your ECU and wont screw your engine as fast as a entry level LPG kit with no link to the ECU.
Hi,

I'm not planning on going anywhere near the Engine of my IKON. Again, buying a cheaper car and fitting LPG is also under thought. There are lot of petrol options (lancer) available cheap. I guess they are much more reliable than the Astra.

Cheers,

Dhanush.
dhanushs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th June 2011, 14:14   #25
Distinguished - BHPian
 
libranof1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: All over!
Posts: 3,732
Thanked: 2,845 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

Quote:
Originally Posted by YaeJay View Post
.

Does anyone know about the Corsa? Is it worth the risk? Are they a pain to maintain? I am on the look out for a car for my mom which would be do about 100km a week. driven probably by a middle aged part time driver. Since the running will be low fuel is not an issue. I was thinking palio, corsa and a few marutis. Ofcourse the budget is limited.
I drive a Corsa and yes, it is quite expensive to maintain.

My 1.4 Corsa Sail gives me around 11 km/l if I drive like a good boy on a clear road; in city traffic, this no. goes down even lower. Switch on the a/c and you'll get very comfortable but the car will guzzle fuel like nobody's business.

Plus, the spares are very expensive; so, a pre-owned Corsa will cost a bomb to maintain (esp. after 40k kms).

Moral of the story : a very good car, but at a very high price. And certainly not 2nd hand.
libranof1987 is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 7th June 2011, 21:07   #26
BHPian
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: .
Posts: 479
Thanked: 111 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

^^ Thanks libranof1987! I guess its better to leave out the corsa option. This car is most likely to be driven by a paid driver most of the time. The ones I came to know of are way above 40K kms. Mileage would not have been a major issue since it would be used very less. But maintenance and spare parts (i.e. cost and availability) is a high priority. Thanks again.
YaeJay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th June 2011, 21:07   #27
Distinguished - BHPian
 
dhanushs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bathery/BLR
Posts: 3,446
Thanked: 4,055 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

Guys a slight update:

Yesterday, the wiper motor of the car in question went kaput. Monsoons being harsh, I feared the worst and expected the car to be in garage for sometime, but surprisingly, Skill-mech guys had the motor stock, and the car is back on road. The best part is the cost. It just cost 1900 bucks for a new wiper motor.

Isn't that great!??
dhanushs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th June 2011, 21:38   #28
Distinguished - BHPian
 
libranof1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: All over!
Posts: 3,732
Thanked: 2,845 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

I can sense the sarcasm in that post!

So, what have you decided? Picking up the car or looking for another one?
libranof1987 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th June 2011, 22:44   #29
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 10
Thanked: 0 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

At the end of the day its your decision. No amount of explanation from our part can change that. But do consider the words of so many previous opel owners on the maintenance front. A friend of mine recently had a fender bender accident with his open corsa. cost him abt 25k for the repairs as the parts were difficult to find and due to the monopoly were being priced very high.

Do consider a diesel from manufacturers like maruti or tata, considering the fact that spare parts will be easier to find
Tathagat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th June 2011, 23:35   #30
Senior - BHPian
 
rajeev k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Emerging Metro
Posts: 3,306
Thanked: 1,730 Times
Default Re: Rising Petrol Prices - Opel Astra 1.7 "Diesel" as a second car?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhanushs View Post
Yes, I am considering the possibility of buying a mpfi 800. The Astra was considered ONLY because its a known car. No other Astra will be considered. Also, the difference in petrol and diesel is too high for even the humble 800 to make sense.
Go for a 5 gear mpfi, it would be great.

Quote:
Originally Posted by YaeJay View Post
.
Does anyone know about the Corsa? Is it worth the risk? Are they a pain to maintain? I am on the look out for a car for my mom which would be do about 100km a week. driven probably by a middle aged part time driver. Since the running will be low fuel is not an issue. I was thinking palio, corsa and a few marutis. Ofcourse the budget is limited.
Astra to Corsa would be like from frying pan to fire.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhanushs View Post
Guys a slight update:
Yesterday, the wiper motor of the car in question went kaput. Monsoons being harsh, I feared the worst and expected the car to be in garage for sometime, but surprisingly, Skill-mech guys had the motor stock, and the car is back on road. The best part is the cost. It just cost 1900 bucks for a new wiper motor.
Isn't that great!??
Is not great. Don't gauge by a wiper motor. There is more to it than meets the eye.

You can still have the Astra, but for keeps, as a souvenir, for an once upon a time kinda story later on.
rajeev k is offline   (2) Thanks Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
With rising fuel prices, are small capacity blown petrol engines the way forward? MaserQ Technical Stuff 17 10th August 2011 11:13
Opel Astra Club or Opel Corsa bsashwin Sedans 2 11th July 2006 17:34
Opel Astra Club Petrol vs Honda Accord 2.4 ........ No compitition adya33 Street Experiences 10 8th May 2005 01:10
lancer petrol or opel astra advantage?? nd4spd Sedans 3 28th December 2004 00:33


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 21:53.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks