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Old 20th May 2009, 21:19   #1
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Question What new car\MUV -- ramblings of a mad man

I have a used tata indigo ls gifted by my parents to my kids after i returned to India from US in April 07. In the 2 yrs of ownership experience, i have had times when it has been really handy and i have also had instances of the car giving up on me at the most weird and unexpected of times. However since its our first car in India everyone loves it. I have also spent close to 50K on various things that have been replaced or repaired due to wear and tear.

Since i was at home without a job and nothing better to do, I started thinking of which car to buy and what would be mine and my wife's preferences\likes in an ideal car. Here's a detail of what we would love in our car\MUV and whats on offer today in the market:

Car type : Sedan \ MUV
Fuel : Diesel
Features desired : CRDI, Quadrajet, Multijet ( in short latest tech), ABS, Airbags, Automatic
New\Used : New or not more than 1.5-2 yrs old
Budget(likely) : 8.5 -9 lacs max ( after reinvesting proceeds from indigo)
Driving distance : 60 kms/day
Drivers : self driven on weekends, driver on weekdays and wife to practice on the car during weekdays

Sedans :
Indigo Dicor -- no abs, no airbags, no automatic, tacky service & reliability
Crib : Wheres the new vista based indigo

Dzire -- no automatic, rattlesnake ( my perception of maruti cars), plain ugly and looks are a put off
Crib : if u can give multijet -- also give automatic. Maruti are you listening

Linea -- no automatic, *** improvement to be proven
Crib : Fiat when you can give so many bells and whistles in a lovely car why not an automatic

Fiesta -- rear leg space is cramped; no airbags, no automatic; *** not the best in class ( have seen the personal experience of my boss and have been with him to ford dealerships)
Crib : You have a beautiful daughter at home -- load her with all the finery, why be a miser Ford?

Verna -- everything underneath but no airbags
Crib : Get her airbags and my wife will ensure i dont look at any other car, not even the linea. Hyundai where art thou?

MUV :
Sumo Grande -- no abs, no airbags, no automatic, tacky service and reliability
Crib: My dad's ready to gift you to me , its me who is stopping him from spending his pension fund on you, since Xylo beats you hands down.

Xylo -- no airbags , no automatic,
Crib : 2 test drives and 4 feedbacks later i see xylo being launched with ABS, but where are the airbags? Is the E10 coming soon or will it be a wait in vain?

Looking at the above scenario makes me dejected. I compromised the last time i purchased a car. Do i still have to make a compromise this time too?

Will i never get a vehicle with features and a pricepoint i need at all? Is there no market at all for the kind of vehicle I am on the lookout for?

Am I asking for too much as a customer or does it mean that

Friends request you to pour in suggestions

thanks in advance
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So you want a top end variant of a diesel sedan with airbags and ebd. Is that all?
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So you want a top end variant of a diesel sedan with airbags and ebd. Is that all?
and an auto tranny too . I am not really worried about FE and would give ease of driving comfort a higher priority
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get a used sonata embera crdi automatic (damn that is a long car name)
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Embera has been any day an under ratted car.Its a good buy and the auto should be fine.Have they started the discounts pouring in ,lolz.Scorpio auto should be a good option though.
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Embera has been any day an under ratted car.Its a good buy and the auto should be fine.Have they started the discounts pouring in ,lolz.Scorpio auto should be a good option though.
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hi Ram,

You have worked with Hyundai before. Whats your opinion feedback about buying a pre-owned Sonata Embera. It did not sell in high numbers and will not have a good resale- however I am not worried about those aspects. I am still settling in my new job( my first day today) so will take a couple of months to finalize and Sonata though is an overstretch on my budget is a car I adore. Your feedback would help a lot
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The car as such is wonderfull and good quality parts are used.You would be cared for at the A.S.S (special packages for embera customers).Parts cost are usually much lower than any comparable cars and buying a used one should save you considerable amount too.Its good on space too.have a test drive and you will have a better understanding of this beauty.
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If FE is not a constrain the I wonder why diesel?
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If FE is not a constrain the I wonder why diesel?
one factor is tco (total cost of ownership) and second -- i have fallen in love with the way diesels handle after having driven gasoline cars in US for @ 4 yrs.
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Nice work

1) Fiesta has air bags and other whistles.
Ford - Ford Fiesta Safety

2) Optra: second hand
3) SX4; can get it for nice price for a second hand one; petrol though.
4) Innova V; 2 years old.

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Innova-V model will solve all your needs & definetly fit your bill.
Hazzel free maintainance,V- model comes with all the bells & whistles(airbags,ABS,ACC,audio controls on steering etc.)
1.5 to 2y model will be atleast 10L.

Suggest to have a test drive of the new,you will get an idea of the vehicle & search in for the right one.
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Nice work

1) Fiesta has air bags and other whistles.
Ford - Ford Fiesta Safety

2) Optra: second hand
3) SX4; can get it for nice price for a second hand one; petrol though.
4) Innova V; 2 years old.
thanks for the suggestions -- yep can look at Innova or Optra
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Seeing ur requirements i think Toyota Innova 2.5 V is the right thing for u.

1.MUV
2.Diesel D4D
3.Dual SRS Airbags
4.ABS With EBD
5.Great After Sales service *
6.Excellent Overall Quality
7.Integrated Stereo
8.Automatic Climate Control
All the features u demand are present in this car except Automatic .

(* I own a 2.5 V Innova since feb 2008 and i have had a very pleasant experience with Toyota...Earlier I also had a corolla...So overall i have been seeing their service for approx 3-4 years...I am pretty satisfied.)

I think u can get a 1-2 yr old 2.5 V within your budget..

All of ur requiremnts satisfied...
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Seeing ur requirements i think Toyota Innova 2.5 V is the right thing for u.

1.MUV
2.Diesel D4D
3.Dual SRS Airbags
4.ABS With EBD
5.Great After Sales service *
6.Excellent Overall Quality
7.Integrated Stereo
8.Automatic Climate Control
All the features u demand are present in this car except Automatic .

(* I own a 2.5 V Innova since feb 2008 and i have had a very pleasant experience with Toyota...Earlier I also had a corolla...So overall i have been seeing their service for approx 3-4 years...I am pretty satisfied.)

I think u can get a 1-2 yr old 2.5 V within your budget..

All of ur requiremnts satisfied...
Innova is the only one where all the requirements get ticked except for Auto tranny. Is it wise to wait for ever for Toyota to launch one? I was eagerly waiting for the refreshed Innova to carry the auto tranny tag, however Toyota didnt oblige.

Question to experts : Is it possible to convert a mechanical tranny to an auto tranny - this is like asking if one can fit ABS as an after market accessory and i know
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Question to experts : Is it possible to convert a mechanical tranny to an auto tranny - this is like asking if one can fit ABS as an after market accessory and i know
NO.

There is an aftermarket auto clutch kind of thing. But it has never received any good reviews to the best of my knowledge.

The Innova should be a good buy.

On an off topic note.
I just saw a crashed Innova at a garage.
The front was totally busted and the engine itself had taken a bad hit.
The rear was smashed in.

The passenger area was remarkably intact.
Even the doors open and close without any issues.
It does speak very highly of the safety in this vehicle.
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