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Old 21st September 2017, 12:59   #31
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This is the worst problem I face. Water eating up starting motors. Yes, they won't immediately show problems, but gradually over a week or two. Dirt enters the starting motor and eats up the brushes and bushes. That's how water is an enemy. If it's crystal clear water, I guess starting motor will survive longer.

Depends on the type of starter. The Di Turbo starter can't IIRC.
Nothing happened to the two Scorpios that went through the same place. One of the Scorpios went multiple times. Only the alternator belt snapped in one of the Scorpios, but I think that is unrelated. I thought Bolero Di was the more robust one due to the absence of electronics.
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Nothing happened to the two Scorpios that went through the same place. One of the Scorpios went multiple times. Only the alternator belt snapped in one of the Scorpios, but I think that is unrelated. I thought Bolero Di was the more robust one due to the absence of electronics.
There is nothing electronic about it. The starting motor is a Electrical/mechanical device. Both in the scorpio and the bolero.

The Scorpio starter has a reduction gear IIRC, and hence prevents direct entry of water from flywheel side. Where as the bolero (Di Turbo Engine) starter IIRC isnt like that, and its easier for water to enter through flywheel side.

Also, the starter is not like an electronic device (mobile phone) which shuts off as soon as you put it in water. When water and dirt enters the starter, it gradually causes wear and tear in the moving parts, and increases the current required. After few days the starting becomes slow, like you have a weak battery, and finally dies.
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An Ecosport, a Brezza and an AWD XUV were also there but could not cross the obstacle due to lesser approach angle compared to the others. The front bumpers all these vehicles were hitting the first hump and we could not take the risk of damaging them.
Hi Blackpearl,
Based on your experience, do you think a Hexa 4x4 would have been able to clear this obstacle in stock condition?
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Hi Blackpearl,
Based on your experience, do you think a Hexa 4x4 would have been able to clear this obstacle in stock condition?
Hi Abhishek46, the Hexa will not be able to cross this obstacle in stock condition without damaging the front bumper. I think it will scrape the chassis as well due to the long wheelbase.
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Hello everyone,
I couldn't find the right place to post this but this thread seemed the best fit.
I really,REALLY want to get into weekend off-roading,but the problem is I cannot find any clubs or groups in my city.I live in Nagpur, Maharashtra.
Can somebody point me towards a club or even an individual whom I can join on occasional off-road sessions?
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Hello everyone,
I couldn't find the right place to post this but this thread seemed the best fit.
I really,REALLY want to get into weekend off-roading,but the problem is I cannot find any clubs or groups in my city.I live in Nagpur, Maharashtra.
Can somebody point me towards a club or even an individual whom I can join on occasional off-road sessions?
Search for Adventure Achievers and VARA on Facebook and contact them. While not regular, but they often organize such activities around town.
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Search for Adventure Achievers and VARA on Facebook and contact them. While not regular, but they often organize such activities around town.
Thankyou so much,I will look them up.
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Thankyou so much,I will look them up.
PM me if you're interesting in weekend excursions, I might be able to connect with a few Thar owners at the very least
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With increasing focus on environment and pollution, I have been asked this question many times - Why I drive a 4WD vehicle in Kolkata? Frankly speaking, I could not justify clearly. I stumbled upon this article yesterday and I found the point of view quite interesting. I am not saying that it is a fool proof article, but still a different point of view is always welcome, especially when it matches yours

I really liked the line at the end -

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Just because someone drives a 4X4 doesnít mean to say theyíre wrecking the environment. You need to look at their entire environmental footprint, not make snap judgements based on a glance and misconceptions.
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Your 4x4 lifestyle is good for the environment - by Robert Pepper

ďI suppose youíre all right, you go camping with itĒ.
With that, my colleague delivered his judgement and granted permission for me to own and operate a 4X4 vehicle. He couldnít otherwise see why I wanted a largish, 2500kg vehicle with offroad capabilities, and he was openly scornful of those who owned such vehicles for a variety of reasons; safety, size and the effect on the environment.
Thereís a lot to unpack in that attitude, which is mostly based on lack of understanding and fear. But letís look at the environmental impact and whether itís really right to make such wide-ranging assumptions.
Hereís a 4X4, modified for offroading touring and camping. Itís my Ford Ranger PX, photographed during a camping trip.

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And hereís a hybrid Toyota Camry:

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Now letís take two identical families of four. Family A drives the Ranger modified for offroad touring, and takes a four-week camping holiday each year. Family B drives the Camry, and flies to Bali or equivalent for four weeks each year. That means the only differences between the two families are the car they drive, and their holiday method.
While both families with drive the same number of kilometres a year for errands, the car they use is different so Iíll calculate the emissions.
The Australian Bureau of Statistics tells us that the average mileage per car in Australia is 13,400km. Looking at Ford.com.au, I see that a MY2020 Ranger PX3 4X4 dualcab Bi-Turbo emits 195g of CO2 per kilometer, and Toyota.com.au tells me that a MY2020 Toyota Hybrid SL emits 103g/km.
However, both figures will be on the low side for real-world use, because the fuel consumption and emissions testing doesnít represent reality. For that reason, Iím going to add 10% to the Camryís figure, and 20% to that of the Ranger. The reason why the Ranger gets double the increase of the Camry is because Iím going to assume that it will be modified with items such as offroad tyres, a roofrack, winch and driving lights, all of which add weight and increase aerodynamic drag.
So our first bit of maths is this; 195 x 20% = 234g/km for the Ranger, x 13,400km = 3.14 tonnes for the year. For the Camry, itís 103 x 10% = 113.3, x 13,400km = 1.52 tonnes for the year. Family B are well ahead, less than half the emissions of Family A.
Now letís go on our four-week holidays. Iím going to assume Family A will go camping the whole time, and cover 5000km. Iím also going to assume that as their Ranger is more heavily loaded than usual with camping gear, so the emissions increase by 30% over the stock figure, not 20%. That gives us 253g/km x 5000km = 1.27 tonnes for their holiday.
Family B parks the Camry, and flies to Bali. Iím going to allow 500km worth of car travel for them ó to and from the airports, and around Bali. Iíll assume the emissions are the same as for their own Camry; so 113g/km x 500km = 0.06 tonnes. They need to fly to Bali, so using the ICAOís calculator for a Melbourne to Denpasar trip in economy class thatís 513.8kg per person. And weíve got four people, so thatís 2.05 tonnes for the flight. Once there, theyíll need somewhere to stay, and it appears the standard emissions measure for a hotel room is 31.1kg per room per night. So, 28 nights x 31.1kg = 0.87 tonnes. That brings Family B to a total of 2.98 tonnes for their holiday, compared to 1.27 for Family A.
If we now total the annual emissions for Family A, itís 4.4 tonnes, but for Family B, itís 4.5 tonnes. So, Family A is more environmentally friendly than Family B, despite the latter cruising around in a hybrid car.
Now of course you can create any number of scenarios where Family A or B comes out ahead. But thatís the point. Just because someone drives a 4X4 doesnít mean to say theyíre wrecking the environment. You need to look at their entire environmental footprint, not make snap judgements based on a glance and misconceptions.
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...Just because someone drives a 4X4 doesnít mean to say theyíre wrecking the environment. You need to look at their entire environmental footprint, not make snap judgements based on a glance and misconceptions.
Wow.. I'm lucky to stay in a village where there are even worse steam rollers than mine. Not that it makes me right but, saves me from prejudice.
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