[Samurai]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Scorpio has open diffs for front and rear, and safari has a LSD rear diff.
So why is the scorpio better. Its lighter and has a smaller turning radius, so that may help in terrains pictured above, but won't a LSD quipped safari be a better bet on snow/slush kind of terrain.

That way none of the MM550 or CJs have LSD, still they perform better. I think it is the wheel articulation (live axle vs IFS) that puts the Mahindra steeds ahead of Tata when it comes to off-roading.

[tsk1979]

Wheel articulation will help in stuff like rocky terrains, what about slush etc., won't a LSD or something with DIFF locks be more compliant.
In serious slush both will get bogged down, as 2 tonnes is heavy, but LSD may stand slightly better chance of getting out on its own accord.

does the new scorpio have a Live Axle?

[khan_sultan]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Wheel articulation will help in stuff like rocky terrains, what about slush etc., won't a LSD or something with DIFF locks be more compliant.
In serious slush both will get bogged down, as 2 tonnes is heavy, but LSD may stand slightly better chance of getting out on its own accord.

...

. In mud/slush, Diff Locks (or maybe LSD) stand a better chance.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

does the new scorpio have a Live Axle?

No, but the 4WD version has IFS with torsion bar in the front, while the 2WD gets coil springs and anti-roll bar in the front.

[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by Samurai

No, but the 4WD version has IFS with torsion bar in the front, while the 2WD gets coil springs and anti-roll bar in the front.

So IFS is better than what safari has?
Here is what safari has

5.0 REAR AXLE :
: Single reduction salisbury
type rear axle with hypoid
gears and semi-floating axle
with limited slip differential
for 4 x 4, without limited slip
differential for 4 x 2
Ratio : 4.1 (41 / 10)
6.0 FRONT AXLE :
a) For 4x4 : Independently suspended
with automatic hub locks.
Ratio 4.1 (41 / 10)
9.0 FRAME :
Frame : Ladder type cranked frame
with boxed section long
members and welded cross
members
Depth : 110 mm (max.)
Width : 60mm
10.0 SUSPENSION :
Front : Double wishbone type
with Torsion bar springs.
Rear : Coil spring type 5 link
suspension
Shock Absorber : Hydraulic double acting
telescopic type at front
and rear.
Antiroll bar : At both front & rear.

[DirtyDan]

Originally Posted by ex670c

The Scorpio is much better off-road
PS - DirtyDan....another e-lynching

Arka, on the newer Scorpios where they changed the rear suspension...do you think those tubular radius arms or bushings that hold the axle in place are kind of vulnerable and fragile? Looks to me like maybe a rock or ridge could snap them off.

Lynching? I am more of a scoped rifle sniper type serial killer. I don't want to be close and hear the screams and see the blood. That can put you off your lunch!

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Antiroll bar : At both front & rear.

Antiroll bar actually limits wheel articulation, the 4WD Scorpio doesn't have antiroll bars.

[tsk1979]

So the conclusion is that because of absence of anti roll bars scorpio is a better offroader?

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

So the conclusion is that because of absence of anti roll bars scorpio is a better offroader?

I don't know, instead of speculating, I'll leave it to people who have actually seen both of them offroad. All this paper specs don't mean much in the field, only actual performance matters.

[DirtyDan]

Samurai, are there emergency electricians on hand in case one of the on board refrigerators shorts out and the Dom Perignon begins to lose its chill?

Sorry, I should be flogged.

[dicorex4x4]

What I didn't want was this thread to turn into Jeep vs. luxury SUV debate. Kidding, but we might as well rename this section of the forum as "Team Mahindra".

Not Special Olympics, Samurai.
For a moment, ignore the fact that you have a CL jeep. With only your GV at hand, if you were to plan an OTR, how would you do that?

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by DirtyDan

Samurai, are there emergency electricians on hand in case one of the on board refrigerators shorts out and the Dom Perignon begins to lose its chill?

Huh! Hey, I don't own either SUVs and I have already given up off-roading with GV, so I am neutral party.

Originally Posted by dicorex4x4

Not Special Olympics, Samurai.
For a moment, ignore the fact that you have a CL jeep. With only your GV at hand, if you were to plan an OTR, how would you do that?

I wouldn't. I don't have the stomach to off-road with a CBU vehicle anymore. Just because I own the GV don't assume I have pockets deep enough to absorb the body damage repairs with impunity.

[sudev]

@dicor4x4 : Plugging for Desert Storm '09 but if you are looking at OTR adveture come and join the fun. Desert Storm

It is nice to do OTR in SUV's as long as the terrain allows but as Samurai put it the level of terrain that can be handled by Jeep vis others is not just matter of paper specs but also axel articulation, angle of aproach and departure (overhang), low rpm tourque, turning radius and the NUT behind the fifth wheel (and how thick his wallet is) - all play part in determining what a vehicle is able to handle.

[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by Samurai

I don't know, instead of speculating, I'll leave it to people who have actually seen both of them offroad. All this paper specs don't mean much in the field, only actual performance matters.

I have not seen a scorpio in action, but a youtube video where a grassy slope defeated it because of open diffs.
So barring rocks, if you talk about sand etc., luxury SUVs should be quite capable if it has LSD or Locking diffs, with open diffs you are essentially 2WD

[ex670c]

Hi Guys,

During the TPC2006 we had a JUDO 4x4(with Diff-locks) Endeavour 4x4 and a Scorpio 4WD.

The Scorpio 4WD was able to finish the event.

The JUDO lacked the grunt.
The Endy was not responsive enough to make most climbs.

The Scorpio was surprisingly the winner because of the engine (Torque and rev-ability)