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Frankenstein 19th May 2011 11:26

Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
I will post all the engines , gearboxes, axles and Diff ratios used in JEEPS in India .

ENGINES: BHP/TORQUE

Peugeot Range of engines.

XDP4.9 62bhp/12.3kgm

XD3P 73bhp/15.5kgm

XD2S 80bhp/?

TUD5 58bhp/10kgm


MAHINDRA RANGE OF ENGINES

International B275 38bhp/12kgm

International B475 43bhp/?

International B575 59bhp/15.5kgm

MDI 3000 55bhp/16kgm

MDI3200TC 63bhp/18kgm

M eagle 104bhp/24kgm

2.6 SZ PLUS 109bhp/26kgm

2.6 CRDE 115bhp/28kgm

2.2 Mhawk 140bhp/29kgm


ISUZU RANGE OF ENGINES

4ZBI(petrol) 75bhp/13.3kgm

4FB1 58bhp/10.5kgm

4FC1 65bhp/
4FD1 75bhp/

4FG1 78bhp/15.5kgm

4FG1 TC 86bhp/16.5kgm

4JG2 100bhp/26kgm

4JG2 TC 120bhp/28kgm


TOYOTA RANGE ENGINES

Qualis engine 75bhp/15kgm

1N 54bhp/9kgm

2C 70bhp/13kgm

2C TC ?/?

3C ?/?

3C TC ?/?

G13B ?/?

G14B 100bhp/28kgm

Kirloskar ?/?


PERKINS ENGINE RANGE

P3 ?/?

P4 ?/?

P6 ?/?


SIMPSONS ENGINE RANGE

S3 ?/?

S4.


NISSAN RANGE

BD 25

BD30 100bhp/22kgm

RD 28 ,6 pot 100bhp/18kgm


SUZUKI RANGE OF ENGINES

Gypsy 1L engine 45bhp/?

Gypsy 1.3L engine 80bhp/10.3kgm
Baleno 1.6L engine 93bhp/13.2kgm

TATA RANGE ENGINES

2.0 TCIC 68bhp/12kgm

3.0 (407) 60bhp/16kgm

MATADOR(force) RANGE

305 ?/?
307(om616) 68bhp/13kgm

WILLYS ENGINES

F-HEAD 134 HURRICANE 75bhp/15.5kgm

L-HEAD 134 GO-DEVIL 60bhp/14.2kgm


4WD GEARBOXES USED:

Peugeot BA10-5 SPEED

Mahindra NGT520-5SPEED

Mahindra NGT530R-5 SPEED

KMT-90 -4 SPEED

T-84 -3 SPEED

T-90 -3 SPEED

Low ratio T-90 (FC TRUCK)
Isuzu MUA5 5 SPEED

Isuzu 4 speed

Mitsubushi/Kia 4 speed

Gypsy GB 5 speed



I have driven , seen heard most of the above mentioned engine/GB transplants done in JEEPs in India.

DIFFERENTIAL RATIOS / CROWN PINION.

These are the different differential ratios used for Jeeps in India.

3.73:1 FOR EASY CRUISING

4.27:1 CRUISING

4.88:1 BALANCE BETWEEN CRUISING AND LOW END TORQUE

5.38:1 MORE OF LOW END TORQUE

5.89:1. MAXIMUM CRAWL RATIO FOR ROCK CRAWLING.

Please add if i have missed anything.

Note: low end torque and cruising speed may differ from engine to engine and Transmission to transmission and both together.


Here goes the axles options for Jeeps.

CKKP (Closed Knuckle King Pin)
48.5" Front Track 10 Spline & 19 Spline (CJ3A/CJ3B/CJ340/CL340/Cdr650)
51" Front Track 19 Spline (MM540/MM550XD/Cdr750)
58" Front Track 19 Spline (FC Van)

Rear Axle
48.5" Front Track 10 Spline & 19 Spline (CJ3A/CJ3B/CJ340/CL340/Cdr650)
51" Front Track 19 Spline & 30 Spline MM550XD (MM540/MM550XD/Cdr750)
58" Front Track 19 Spline (FC Van)

OKBJ (Open Knuckle Ball-Joint)
51" Track M&M Major/Cdr 750 (NGCS) 19 Spline
57" Track Bolero/Pikup MM550XD (NGCS) 19 Spline

Rear 1 Piece FFRA (53" Track)
1) MM550XD/Bolero/Pickup Series (19 Spline)

Rear 1 piece SFRA (53" Track)
Scorpio/Bolero Invader/Pickup Series.

All the Above a DANA44 (19 Spline or 30 Spline with 2 Carrier Breaks)


I am not able to recollect some other options, Please add if i have missed out something.

SPIKE ARRESTOR 19th May 2011 12:12

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
Frankenstein, if you have pics of these models with distinguishing features, please post. This would help members distinguish / make out them from others.

Spike

mashmash 19th May 2011 13:55

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
Brilliant Thread. Glad to be glued right from the start. Subscribed.

Would it be possible to link up the best known combinations for various vehicles? For e.g. X engine + Y gb + Z axles + etc = :thumbs up

scphanse 20th May 2011 15:35

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
Frankenstein,
Fabulous thread for all.
mashmash+1 regarding Gurus adding the combinations. Would be just Great.
regards
salil

svsantosh 20th May 2011 15:45

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankenstein (Post 2357466)

ENGINES: BHP/TORQUE

TATA RANGE ENGINES

3.0 (407) 60bhp/16kgm

How easy is it to fit this 3.0 DI engine into a jeep chassis? Have you seen any such mod in Hyd? Would like to know more.

Frankenstein 20th May 2011 18:18

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR (Post 2357545)
Frankenstein, if you have pics of these models with distinguishing features, please post. This would help members distinguish / make out them from others.

Spike

Spikey , i have seen these engines in JEEPS in a span of 3 years and it is difficult to track the owners and take pics, but how ever i will post pics of some of the vehicles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mashmash (Post 2357747)
Brilliant Thread. Glad to be glued right from the start. Subscribed.

Would it be possible to link up the best known combinations for various vehicles? For e.g. X engine + Y gb + Z axles + etc = :thumbs up

HI Mashmash , i can only give combinations of Jeeps which i have driven and sat .

L-HEAD 134 GO DEVIL +T84 -- very good for willys MB/Ford GPW , CJ2A, CJ3A

HURRICANE F-134 OVERHEAD VALVE + T90 is good for just the CJ3B.

Isuzu 4FG1+ Isuzu 5 speed tranny + 4.88 diff ratio is good for the CJ5, CJ6 .

ISUZU G1+ Mitsubishi KIA + 5.38 is awesome for the CJ3B AND CJ3A.

OM 616 + KIA KMT90 + 5.83 is good for the cj500d (91" wheel base)

Matador 305 + T90 + 4.88 IS good for the CJ3B

ISUZU G1+ ISUZU 4 SPEED + 4.88 works well with the CJ3A & 3B.

Qualis engine + gypsy GB + 4.88 for the CJ3B

ISUZU 4FC1 + KMT 90 + 4.88 for the ford GPW

Nissan bd30 + isuzu 5 speed GB+ 4.88 for the mm550, CJ6.

International B275 + KMT90 + 4.27 for the CJ3B and Major.

Perkins P4 + T90 + 4.27 for the CJ3B and commander .

Toyota 3C + ISUZU 5 SPEED + 4.27 for the 3B.

More to come as and when i remember and drive .

Quote:

Originally Posted by scphanse (Post 2359402)
Frankenstein,
Fabulous thread for all.
mashmash+1 regarding Gurus adding the combinations. Would be just Great.
regards
salil

scphanse , thanks , most of the engines mentioned were seen , driven by me in Hyderabad.

Santosh the 407 engine was in a commander with KMT90 +4.27 crown pinion and it was a TAXI . I did drive this Jeep , good low end torque but too heavy and the front used to bottom out easily .

Sutripta 20th May 2011 20:56

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
Hi,
Any chance of adding the weights of these engines and gearboxes?

Regards
Sutripta

headers 21st May 2011 09:38

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankenstein (Post 2357466)
I will post all the engines , gearboxes, axles and Diff ratios used in JEEPS in India .

..
I am not able to recollect some other options, Please add if i have missed out something.

Sandeep, it would be great if you could post the weights of the engines. Ultimately power to weight matters :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sutripta (Post 2359852)
Hi,
Any chance of adding the weights of these engines and gearboxes?

+10

DKG 21st May 2011 10:01

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
great initiative ! With so many people restoring Jeeps across the country such information is invaluable. Thanks for taking the trouble to list it all here. Can turn into a great reference thread

SPIKE ARRESTOR 21st May 2011 10:20

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankenstein (Post 2359683)
Spikey , i have seen these engines in JEEPS in a span of 3 years and it is difficult to track the owners and take pics, but how ever i will post pics of some of the vehicles.

Okies,I have not seen some of these engines hence asked for reference. No problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DKG (Post 2360176)
Thanks for taking the trouble to list it all here. Can turn into a great reference thread

DKG, please use the Thanks button also, this indeed is a useful post IMHO. :)

Spike

EDIT- Just saw your Thanks.

darshan.ckm 25th May 2011 20:52

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
Need expert advice:

My CJ 500Di (1994 model) is under going a gearbox change, replacing the current one with refurbished KMT 90 with T 18 Single lever unit. Was contemplating on changing final drive ratios as well. With this in mind, I want to know the following:

a) does this model come with 5.38 final drive ratio?
b) If no, then can we replace the existing crown & pinion with a 43/8 unit or it requires changing of other parts in differential as well?


Currently i am running on 235/75 R 15 MT tyres. The jeep is primarily used in estate so top end is not a priority but lot of bottom end grunt will definitely help.

Regards,
Darshan

AVR 26th May 2011 00:05

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darshan.ckm (Post 2365744)
a) does this model come with 5.38 final drive ratio?
No idea but my guess is it did. You should have a small metal plate connected to the diff pumpkin which usually has the ratio written on it. Am assuming an older jeep like yours would still have the plate
b) If no, then can we replace the existing crown & pinion with a 43/8 unit or it requires changing of other parts in differential as well?
If required, you'll just need to change the crown pinions at the front and rear alone. No other part requires to be changed.

Hey Darshan,

Have tried answering whatever's possible. Hope it helps till the experts chip in.

Adi

Tejas@perioimpl 7th June 2011 12:29

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
Dear Frankenstein,

Good initiative. One note though: Please give due credit in your posts to where you have cut paste some of the values from. eg. jeep thrills, etc and the people who have posted it.

DeClutch 4X4 27th July 2011 20:28

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
Help required..Please
I earnestly request all you jeep guru’s to help me understand, if It is possible and practical to mate a 3 speed gearbox to bolero MDI3200TC engine. I recently bought a Cj3b(2wd) fitted with a B275 and T90 gearbox, fortunately front dana 44 differentials still exists, its only missing the transfer case and front shaft.
I am not much into cruising at high speeds, enjoy slow driving and okay with compromising top end speed if MDI3200TC can be mated with a 3 speed gearbox and a Spicer T18 transfer case.
I am yet to start the rebuild process, as of now shopping for parts and keeping things aside. Once I have all the required things in place will start modifying my jeep.
Thanks,
Deepak Shivanna

jeepster 28th July 2011 10:44

Re: Engine, Gearbox, Diff ratios, axles options for the JEEP
 
IMO you will only need a bellhousing to join MDI3200TC with your GB.

also note that the bolt pattern of t90 matches with KMT90, so if a bellhousing with KMT90 will do the job.

the only task is to check the engine with similar bolt pattern of MDI3200B which uses a KMT90 GB.

IMO the international series engines share the bolt pattern with MDI3200 please verify that. (i am not 100% sure :D)

arka & spike will be able to answer this question more than any one else.

(as B.D sir are not online.)

rgds,
Nikhil


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