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Originally Posted by ex670c Hi Palani,
The Rear Anti-Roll bar is a great addition.
To improve wheel travel with the anti-roll bar (Balance Rod) Please look in to the following.
5) Normally most anti-roll bars make the suspension squat down a few cms (inches). This in turn does not allow the suspension to travel its full range up or down.
Arka |
Well, you can take the following as a compliment, Arka - in that, until now, everything I've seen you write / reply was AFAIK completely correct. Your knowledge of Jeeps is incredible and I've personally benefited numerous times while perusing so many threads you've contributed to.
But let me assure you and anyone else reading that anti-roll bars do NOT (and cannot) make any suspension squat down, or up, or any other direction. There is absolutely no possibility, from a technical or practical standpoint, of such a thing happening. What anti-roll bars (or "sway bars") DO is exactly what the name suggests, and as Commander rightly understood - they prevent roll / sway / A.K.A. articulation.
On road-going high-performance vehicles, you want the vehicle to remain flat as possible to enhance control and limit body roll / weight transfer towards the outside of the turn. In such a scenario, each end of a sway bar acts as a lever, with the length of bar in between transmitting this leverage via torsional force to the lever on the opposite side, so that it moves in the same direction; thus when body weight shifts to the outside of a turn (for example, to the right side on a hard left turn), suspension height remains similar from side to side, because as the right-side springs deflect and the suspension moves upward, the left side springs will be forced to do approximately the same. Exactly how similar the height is forced to remain depends on the weight / speed of the vehicle, the radius of the turn, and of course, the DIAMETER of the bar (larger diameter = more torsional force on opposite side lever = more similar amount of movement = less lean / flatter body through a corner, while smaller bar = less torsional force acting on opposite lever = more difference in suspension deflection from side to side = more body roll.
Commander rightly observed the typical effects of adding one: it will seem "choppier" in rough turns (or even on a rough straight at low speed). Perfectly logical - think it through: You have a fairly compliant suspension, and hit a low spot in the pavement on the right side. The right side sway-bar "lever" is forced suddenly downward as that wheel drops into that low spot, thereby transmitting a torsional force through the bar to the left side, which is also forced downward - except, there's no depression in the pavement on the right side!!!! So what happens? The left side suspension moves down, but it's on a flat road; since the suspension cannot move DOWN on the left (it's up against immovable pavement!), instead the chassis / body are forced UPWARDS - so the body pitches to the right! Have this happen on a hundred little ripples on a rough high-speed turn at speed, and of course, the ride will feel a little choppier with many tiny side-to-side movements in the body - but you'll still corner a lot flatter (less body roll), since the suspension is being forced to remain at an essentially similar level from side to side.
For a high-performance off-road vehicle, you kind on want the opposite of what you want on-road. You're not taking turns at high speeds, so body-roll in that sense is not an issue. And much of the time, you're faced with situations where one side of the vehicle is traversing terrain totally different from the other side, and since you want each tire to be doing as much as possible towards moving the vehicle forward, you actually do NOT want the suspension on one side to be affecting the other side at all (ideally). Thus an anti-roll bar is generally going to be counter-productive, since "affecting the other side" is exactly what it's designed to do.
I've heard of one high-end SUV (Land-Rover, I think) that had anti-roll bars that could automatically disconnect at the touch of a button, for times when one ventured off-road. Since most of these high-end sorts spend 90+ % of their time on-road, this is a valuable feature.
For the rest of us with low-end, low-tech Jeeps, etc, best thing is to apply and size anti-roll bars corresponding to intended use. If we do only OTR, then omit them entirely, and gain considerably better articulation. If we drive a mix of off/on road, keep a front one of moderate size (which is exactly what the factory has done, knowing that most customers drive a mix), and you'll get fairly acceptable (though necessarily compromised) performance for either. If we're mainly on-road, then size up the front one (Bolero 1-ton Pik-up for NGCS-width axles, etc), and maybe even add a rear one from a Safari or whatever. The vehicle will be a lot more stable in turns at speed.
Being that I owned only road-going high-performance vehicles before moving to India and buying the 4x4 Marshal, and that I built-up / modified many of them, and also competed in slalom-racing events, I've had quite a lot of experience with anti-roll bars and the effects of adding them / increasing their diameters (even using polyurethane bushes vs. rubber on mounts / end-links), etc.
Hope this wasn't all too opaque... this is really what they do / don't do. Check wikipedia or whatever if you want a second opinion.
-Eric