[vikid]

Originally Posted by RedMM340

My Desert Duelers are really wide and work great in mud & sand, but require a much higher effort to turn (no power steering).

Regards,

hey RED: why dont you consider upgrading the R&P ratio; you will be a very happy person. The performance will be amazing

[gd1418]

You get MT's in Delhi.

Originally Posted by vikid

do you get MT's in india?

[ex670c]

Originally Posted by vikid

hey RED: why dont you consider upgrading the R&P ratio; you will be a very happy person. The performance will be amazing

Hi Vikid,

If you mean Ring & Pinion can you please explain as to how it will help in improving Steering?

Regards,

Arka

[ex670c]

Hi Vikid,

The pic you have posted is of an MICKEY THOMPSON Baja ATZ.

Is that a Mud-Terrain Tyre?

Regards,

Arka

[RedMM340]

Originally Posted by vikid

hey RED: why dont you consider upgrading the R&P ratio; you will be a very happy person. The performance will be amazing

I assume you are talking about straight line acceleration etc. and not steering effort.

The stock R&P ratio was 5.38 which combined with a juiced up scorpio motor gives fantastic acceleration, but totally limits the top speed.

I switched to a 4.27 (or very close to this) and the acceleration is still very good and actually matches the engines torque characteristics much better. Problem is that it tops out at around 125 kph. But at least it gets to that top speed very quickly.

The 30x9.5R15 BFG Mud Terrains require very little effort for steering (for a jeep).

[vikid]

Originally Posted by ex670c

Hi Vikid,

If you mean Ring & Pinion can you please explain as to how it will help in improving Steering?

Regards,

Arka

it wont; not related to steering. i didnt pay attention while reading and thought he experiences less power.

I cant think of anything to improve the steering if its not power assisted?

[vikid]

Originally Posted by ex670c

Hi Vikid,

The pic you have posted is of an MICKEY THOMPSON Baja ATZ.

Is that a Mud-Terrain Tyre?

Regards,

Arka

baja ATZ is a All-Terrain tyre; i guess Baja MTZ are mud terrain.
but i like the baja claws, are not noisy..

[GTO]

Originally Posted by RedMM340

I switched to a 4.27 (or very close to this) and the acceleration is still very good and actually matches the engines torque characteristics much better.

I was running 4.27 with my stock 2.1 liter Peugeot. It did improve performance on the open road.

Problem is that it tops out at around 125 kph. But at least it gets to that top speed very quickly.

I'd say thats in your favour. The CJ3B chassis was never meant to be a high speed cruiser, and is best at 90 - 100 kph. Any higher and the overall behaviour is vague or dangerous...depending on how you see it. The steering is horrible at speed.

Also, it is a bare basic 60 year old design. Safety (crumple zones etc.) is inexistent on the CJ3B.

[vikid]

so, if it takes lots of effort to steer; look at this option or similar..

The PSC Hydraulic Cylinder Assist Steering Kit, producing the proper valving ratios needed for extreme conditions. Kit includes steering gear, resevior, pump and cylinder kit along with all mounting hardware and hoses required. System requires use of fluid coolers for proper heat displacement and to keep from damaging pump.

[MM440]

Practical thing that can be done :
1> Fit wider axles to help maintain wheel movement when turned.
2> Not doing so will mean damaged tires and suspension springs.Ask Arka his 540's 7.50x16 used to scrub the springs everytime he turned the steering.
3> Fit a petrol crown pinion 8/43 for better torque to turn the bigger tires,will negate the size to an extant.
4> Fit bigger brakes to ensure the vehicle stops when you want it to.
5> Fit a steering damper and also use heavier tie rod end to take the added load of the bigger tires.
6> Fit better rated SKF bearings in the front and back.
7> Convert the rear to a fully floating type axles to deal with stresses that will develop due to power transmission
8> Fit additional fender flares to prevent splash of mud onto body.Personally i like th designs that result from driving in the mud without fender flares and bigger tires.
9> Service you gearbox, else change over to the one used on the mahindra pikup which will reduce steering effort.
10> Fit freewheeling hubs from Lamda to make life easier for your engine in normal running.
Do the above and you will be able to fit the tire.Personally dont think you require JCB tires, the 9.00x16 tires you speak of are old arty issue used in the 16 pounders??? Well have seen them fitted to field artilery anyway.those are the treads (akin to NDMS)you are looking for,not agricultural JCB ones,
Cheers
Jammy

Originally Posted by aandu

hi ,

I am planning to fit 9.00 x 16" NDMS tires on a SWB Jeep. If you are wondering what tire this is, it is the one fitted on JCBs front wheels.

Wondering what kind of issues/performance I can expect. I could think of the following issues :

1. Need wider rims ( 6 to 6.5" width instead of the present 4.5")to fit the tires.
2. Need to increase clearance height to compensate for the bigger tires.
3. Better fuel efficiency due to large diameter of tire ?
4. Poor fuel efficiency due to heavier tires/rims ?
5. Poor braking due to bigger tires - Need to go for disc brakes.
6. Poor Pickup... Will the vehicle atleast move normally?

I am not in a position to fit the tires and then check out the performance. It would be better to at least in theory analyse it and then go for it...( if it makes sense...)

BTW it would have a Peugeot DI diesel engine, 5 speed gear box, 4x4, Free wheeling hubs, etc.

Regards
Anand

[ex670c]

Originally Posted by MM440

Practical thing that can be done :
1> Fit wider axles to help maintain wheel movement when turned.
2> Not doing so will mean damaged tires and suspension springs.Ask Arka his 540's 7.50x16 used to scrub the springs everytime he turned the
Do the above and you will be able to fit the tire.Personally dont think you require JCB tires, the 9.00x16 tires you speak of are old arty issue used in the 16 pounders??? Well have seen them fitted to field artilery anyway.those are the treads (akin to NDMS)you are looking for,not agricultural JCB ones,
Cheers
Jammy

I don't remember my tyres scrubbing the Leaf-spring because when I fitted the taller tyres, and had the turning radius adjusted behind the steering knuckle.

The 9.00X16 NDMS (MRF) NDCC(Ceat) are used on JCB front axle, also used on th 105mm IFG.

Regards,

Arka

[visakh_nair]

Hi Guys,

I am actually new to Team-Bhp.. So i dont know the protocols or anything..

I am in the process of modifying my MM540 4x2.

It already contains a roll cage and bucket seats. I have installed a 235 70 r16 tires to the stock Jeep rims. I have been using the same for the past 1 year and there hasent been much problem.

I am planning to use the jeep on a regular basis, so decided to do some mods to make it comfortable and attractive.

Planning mods

1. Installing a used - refurbished BENZ power steering kit (Rs 22000)

2. Add booster to existing drum breaks (Rs 5000)

3. Clutch change to a rotary mechanism (not sure what it mean - but when i drove the vehicle with it done, it was really good) - Rs 3500

4. Wider Rims/alloys... I am confused on this... Since I have a 16inch rims and the tires are pretty new.... So the option of moving to a 15inch is not practical to me..
The other 2 options in my mind are
1 - widening the exiting rim and setting it with a negative profile
2 - Get a 160 PCD alloy and change pcd by drilling
3 - An alloy manufacture in Coimbatore has agreed to give me 139.7 pcd 16 inch alloys.. but they are taking for ever to follow up

Please advice on what best to do.. and also if you can help me source out 139.7 alloys from somewhere it would be good

My driving it mostly on the highways and some of my friends have advices me to move to Nylon tires as its easy to maintain and rethreading is possible. The jeep will be used to carry some loads...
I plan on using it on the weekends... so I would like to have wider tires and negative offset...
Can you please suggest a way to achieve this

[commander]

Originally Posted by visakh_nair

Hi Guys,

I am actually new to Team-Bhp.. So i dont know the protocols or anything..

I am in the process of modifying my MM540 4x2.

It already contains a roll cage and bucket seats. I have installed a 235 70 r16 tires to the stock Jeep rims. I have been using the same for the past 1 year and there hasent been much problem.

I am planning to use the jeep on a regular basis, so decided to do some mods to make it comfortable and attractive.

Planning mods

1. Installing a used - refurbished BENZ power steering kit (Rs 22000)

2. Add booster to existing drum breaks (Rs 5000)

3. Clutch change to a rotary mechanism (not sure what it mean - but when i drove the vehicle with it done, it was really good) - Rs 3500

4. Wider Rims/alloys... I am confused on this... Since I have a 16inch rims and the tires are pretty new.... So the option of moving to a 15inch is not practical to me..
The other 2 options in my mind are
1 - widening the exiting rim and setting it with a negative profile
2 - Get a 160 PCD alloy and change pcd by drilling
3 - An alloy manufacture in Coimbatore has agreed to give me 139.7 pcd 16 inch alloys.. but they are taking for ever to follow up

Please advice on what best to do.. and also if you can help me source out 139.7 alloys from somewhere it would be good

My driving it mostly on the highways and some of my friends have advices me to move to Nylon tires as its easy to maintain and rethreading is possible. The jeep will be used to carry some loads...
I plan on using it on the weekends... so I would like to have wider tires and negative offset...
Can you please suggest a way to achieve this

Hi vishak,
Looks like the jeep bug has hit you as well. Please start a new thread as your posts will be off topic here. Am new to the jeep community as well but got to know a little bit during my rebuild. Was just casually browsing threads for a tyre size and happened to come across your post. As for your mods please go through a few threads which will make your jeep better , safer and save you money as well. Not an expert but just my suggestions on my limited knowledge.

1. Steering mod not good. Check MRCBT units used in pik ups. Have done it for my existing 245/70/16 and worth it.

2. Booster brakes should not be a problem. Clutch please consult.

3. Continue your tyres. 139.7 and 160 pcd disks available with swastik Viji. Have sourced them. No PCD.

Regards
Barani

[Jerrycan]

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2. Add booster to existing drum breaks (Rs 5000)

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Adding a booster requires hanging pedals. If it's going to cost just 5k including labour, it's very cheap.

You might as well get disc brakes on the front.

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2 - Get a 160 PCD alloy and change pcd by drilling

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you will get ready made hubs for 160 pcd

Good luck for your moification
Regards
Jerrycan

[Roja]

Hey
So , I was looking at the possibility of tweaking the torsion bars on my Xenon to fit in 31 inch AT s. Would love to hear your thoughts about how, and advantages and disadvantages. Also any tips will be great.

Thank you