( Jat devta ki jai),I personally think it would and could and should be an amazing project. Also since you are planning on making a powerful jeep not a land speed record vehicle,you would want to convert all that power into torque not top speed,as such jeeps are never good handler at high speed,even the parent vehicle(safari ) is not a civic at speeds above 100.is it? and forget about the chassis not being strong enough,if it can do 70kmph with 800kg of rice loaded,additional 70-80 kg weight should not be a problem.even if it does turn out to be problamitic,chassis can always be strenthened at required places after trial runs.even if the suspension needs some added meat that could be added later aswel.
If you really want to take a plunge ,first thing should be doing is,you should concentrate on mechanical design of such conversion.
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Originally Posted by Bailee_Jatt_Boy Aha! thanks 4X4 I understand what is going on here?
And judging from the response from others I am inclining towards the fact that Safari engine and MM540s dont go together well. |
well if no one has tried this one before it would not be right to say that safari motor and 540 does not go well together,also if someone has already failed after trying or has messed up his project,does not mean you cannot do better,even if the flunk er was enzo ferrari.
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Originally Posted by DirtyDan Not to mention that the ECU of the Safari engine is programmed to work with Safari parameters, e.g. Safari gearing, pedal position, speedometer etc. Swapping engines is hard. Swapping modern engines with their ECUs programmed for the vehicle from which they came makes it an extremely daunting task.
The idea of a MM540 and a Tata diesel, sans ECU, has merit. You could also add a divorced transfer case from Force to ease the drive train matchups. Proceeding thus you could use a Tata clutch and tranny. |
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safari parameters does not mean that parameters work after they have a look at the chassis or body work,using similar exaust and intake should by and large solve a number of problems.also vehicles without traction control,i dont really recall that ecu has anything to do with gearing,apart from monitoring gear oil temp in some vehicles.i guess even speedometer does not give any input to ecm. throttle positioning is done through position of air intake butterfly not the pedal inside cabin(asfar as i know),otherwise u can always use same safari pedal for it. these all are problems ,i agree but nothing that cannot be dealt with. and trust me you would get better ideas to work around the problems only after you have taken the plunge,because then your hard earned money will be at stake,let alone your time.
Its much better to have tried and failed,then to never try!
If i were you ,i would be dreaming that monster puller day n night.
with all that power converted to torque,it would pull a running rajdhani in opposite direction
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ok enough BC,
mmm i guess ,major work that you will have to do is make space in your chassis,make engine mounts.Even if your engine is too big,let it come out of the hood,it looks cooler,and stays cooler
dont forget to buy the 2.2l engine with all its wireharness and sensor attachments and couplers,otherwise its like a spiders web,and finding which wire is actually which wire becomes unnessasarly a big task,
you can use safari gearbox ,or even jeeps standard 4x4 gearbox,just keep in mind the torque you are transmitting,i dont know whats the standard torque of 540,if the new motor is increasing more that 40% of original one,you should change the gearbox to safari one too,infact i would recomend it.GearBox are generally designed with Fos of 1.5, and shockload of 80%
you would have to make a couple of custom made components like drive shaft (altered for length),shifting lever and mech etc,all that later.
ok ,electronics ,they are not as menacing as we think they are,infact once you get them working fine,they will turn out to be trouble free for years,just that making them work is first thing. i would suggest some dough to either a known good mechanic(electronics) or you can take help from tata's feild rework mechanic(usually they come only at customer complaints which dealers are not able to adress,contact nearest dealer,ask for there scheduled visit or othervise and some dough should do the trick.
infact if you have complete wireharness,regular mechanic should get the sensors working in couple of hours,then do the routing.
i dont remember what all points i have adressed what i have forgot,you can all ask,
i am in same boat as you are jat bhai,i m using a crdi diesel on bike,and these days struck with engine mounts,i have a reliable guy (engineer) to help me with electronics.
by the way have you asked howmuch 2.2l is costing ??
keep me informed as i am also into buying used motors and using them in some fancy project,however diesel is my first.
project like this are very simple if you do three things right.
1. follow your heart,and let your brain be tested!
2. dont listen to what others say!
3. complete the project!
Your project should be a cakewalk if you can do these 3 things and still be sane!
GooDLUCK
And i remember someone saying that Ecu will have problem with water/rain in jeep.
all vehicles come with water proof ECU,also if you allow water to climb upto the level where ECU is mounted,your engine would have already given up before that level by sucking water through various inlets.
you better concentrate on designing a Submarine not jeeps