Om611 Crdi 125bhp For Trax Gurkha?

rhandle · 22nd September 2009, 19:01

Well not many have seen Gurkha from Force and the changes they are doing are from their customer feedback. What you expect from them. If people call me up and ask for feedback (Force have distributed my number freely :( ) until and unless I feel the person is really want it for off-road and not for sosha (snob value) I tell the people it's not a worth buy.

rhandle · 25th November 2009, 12:20

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Originally Posted by 4x4addict

In addition to this Force needs to bring back the Judo, i.e 4Door Trax with OM611/4WD/AC/PS and optional diff locks. If I can get this combo, I will be the first one to get it.

Start saving my friend, next year end you might have to shell out enough money!

4x4addict · 25th November 2009, 17:47

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Originally Posted by rhandle

Start saving my friend, next year end you might have to shell out enough money!

This is great news buddy. I gather you are privy to some inside information

Rotorhead · 25th November 2009, 18:09

hope the trax with Om611 doesnt end up like the lochness or the big foot...just another legendary myth.

rhandle · 25th November 2009, 18:17

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Originally Posted by Rotorhead

hope the trax with Om611 doesnt end up like the lochness or the big foot...just another legendary myth.

Wait and watch my friend!!

Rotorhead · 25th November 2009, 18:25

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Originally Posted by rhandle

Wait and watch my friend!!

i for one would love to see this myth become a reality.

. We should have one heck of a stonkin offroader on indian roads but again with trax service and the current interior trims even if it was launched then there will not be too many takers unless Force does some major rejig of its service network and take a relook at providing better creature comforts on the vehicle.

Traxter · 23rd December 2009, 11:07

Was talking to a dealer source...it seems Force is introducing a new vehicle (SUV) with the new engine (perhaps 611?) at the jan auto show in Delhi..this will be a CRDI engine, Euro 3 (not 4?) and also 4WD!. The chassis is also supposedly different /new from the Gama/Gurkha type.

Since Xylo, new Sumo etc., have been failures by and large and Innova etc., are in another league, this can easily sell a lot if it looks presentable and priced reasonable.

Wonder if like all other makers, Force will keep current Gama lineup and plonk the new engine gearbox to cater to Euro III norms.

007 Bond · 23rd December 2009, 11:13

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Originally Posted by Traxter

Was talking to a dealer source...it seems Force is introducing a new vehicle (SUV) with the new engine (perhaps 611?) at the jan auto show in Delhi..this will be a CRDI engine, Euro 3 (not 4?) and also 4WD!. The chassis is also supposedly different /new from the Gama/Gurkha type.

Since Xylo, new Sumo etc., have been failures by and large and Innova etc., are in another league, this can easily sell a lot if it looks presentable and priced reasonable.

Wonder if like all other makers, Force will keep current Gama lineup and plonk the new engine gearbox to cater to Euro III norms.

yes you are absouletly right this new vehicles will come in price band of Rs 11 Lakhs with body coming from china, all new chassis, new engine & gearbox (tentatively this wont be the Om611), that would be a surprise at autoexpo... also this vehicle can come as fast as May or June as work on assembly fixtures is in full swing also lot of trips to china are in place. Further this new chassis would be transferred to trax.

rhandle · 23rd December 2009, 11:42

Bond Will it be able to beat Gurkha in it's performance off-road?

007 Bond · 23rd December 2009, 12:10

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Originally Posted by rhandle

Bond Will it be able to beat Gurkha in it's performance off-road?

Well I dont have info about this.. but look wise it has got killer looks ... 5 bodies have come today for assembling which would be displayed at expo delhi...

Traxter · 23rd December 2009, 17:23

I heard 'quiet, modern Mercedes engine' if not OM611, then hopefully it something newer as 611 is not exactly new even by our standards.

But you have poured a lot of cold water already by uttering the C word and also price of 11 lakhs. Sad a company known for 'ugly but rugged and lasts for a lifetime' image going for Chinese stuff with all the low quality, faked and use-and-throw reputation mostly well deserved.

4x4addict · 23rd December 2009, 20:34

I pity any Indian automobile company that has to depend on the chinese. Sorry state of affairs. I wish they would do what Mahindra and Tata's have done. Build as much as youc an inhouse and if you lack some skills expertise tie up with a good western company that can help you like AVL Austria for the mhawk and safari 2.2 engines.

Blue Thunder · 25th December 2009, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Traxter

...it seems Force is introducing a new vehicle (SUV) with the new engine (perhaps 611?) ...and also 4WD!. The chassis is also supposedly different /new from the Gama/Gurkha type...

That is interesting news indeed !

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Originally Posted by 007 Bond

...in price band of Rs 11 Lakhs ....

Oops...not so interesting now !!! 11 lakhs

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4x4addict · 26th December 2009, 10:27

It will be a huge leap of faith in Force Motors to buy a vehicle from them that costs more than a top end Scorpio or Safari. I don't think they are there yet. I feel they should start by selling a more civilized version of the gama for about 7.5 lakhs and then slowly up the game. 11 lakhs maybe a bit of a reach for them given bulk of their buyers are the low end/rural taxi market. At 11 lakhs any taxi operator who knows his numbers may pick a low end Innova.

shivshanker · 26th December 2009, 23:39

@Bond,

The AutoEXPO website does not seem to have either MAN trucks or Force Motors as their listed exhibitors.

Is Force Motors having this on display or is it the Chinese company.

The Differential locks were the differentiating factor against other 4x4's amongst many other things, is this on the cards as a standard fitment..? or is it going the Chinese way totally.

22nd September 2009, 19:01	#31
rhandle BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ghaziabad Posts: 549 Thanked: 117 Times	Well not many have seen Gurkha from Force and the changes they are doing are from their customer feedback. What you expect from them. If people call me up and ask for feedback (Force have distributed my number freely :( ) until and unless I feel the person is really want it for off-road and not for sosha (snob value) I tell the people it's not a worth buy.
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25th November 2009, 18:09	#34
Rotorhead BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 939 Thanked: 29 Times	hope the trax with Om611 doesnt end up like the lochness or the big foot...just another legendary myth.
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23rd December 2009, 11:07	#37
Traxter BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Interior Karnataka Posts: 94 Thanked: 2 Times	Was talking to a dealer source...it seems Force is introducing a new vehicle (SUV) with the new engine (perhaps 611?) at the jan auto show in Delhi..this will be a CRDI engine, Euro 3 (not 4?) and also 4WD!. The chassis is also supposedly different /new from the Gama/Gurkha type. Since Xylo, new Sumo etc., have been failures by and large and Innova etc., are in another league, this can easily sell a lot if it looks presentable and priced reasonable. Wonder if like all other makers, Force will keep current Gama lineup and plonk the new engine gearbox to cater to Euro III norms. Last edited by Traxter : 23rd December 2009 at 11:09.
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23rd December 2009, 11:42	#39
rhandle BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ghaziabad Posts: 549 Thanked: 117 Times	Bond Will it be able to beat Gurkha in it's performance off-road?
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23rd December 2009, 17:23	#41
Traxter BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Interior Karnataka Posts: 94 Thanked: 2 Times	I heard 'quiet, modern Mercedes engine' if not OM611, then hopefully it something newer as 611 is not exactly new even by our standards. But you have poured a lot of cold water already by uttering the C word and also price of 11 lakhs. Sad a company known for 'ugly but rugged and lasts for a lifetime' image going for Chinese stuff with all the low quality, faked and use-and-throw reputation mostly well deserved.
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23rd December 2009, 20:34	#42
4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,483 Thanked: 4,529 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (5)	I pity any Indian automobile company that has to depend on the chinese. Sorry state of affairs. I wish they would do what Mahindra and Tata's have done. Build as much as youc an inhouse and if you lack some skills expertise tie up with a good western company that can help you like AVL Austria for the mhawk and safari 2.2 engines.
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26th December 2009, 10:27	#44
4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,483 Thanked: 4,529 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (5)	It will be a huge leap of faith in Force Motors to buy a vehicle from them that costs more than a top end Scorpio or Safari. I don't think they are there yet. I feel they should start by selling a more civilized version of the gama for about 7.5 lakhs and then slowly up the game. 11 lakhs maybe a bit of a reach for them given bulk of their buyers are the low end/rural taxi market. At 11 lakhs any taxi operator who knows his numbers may pick a low end Innova.
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26th December 2009, 23:39	#45
shivshanker BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 345 Thanked: 201 Times View My Garage	@Bond, The AutoEXPO website does not seem to have either MAN trucks or Force Motors as their listed exhibitors. Is Force Motors having this on display or is it the Chinese company. The Differential locks were the differentiating factor against other 4x4's amongst many other things, is this on the cards as a standard fitment..? or is it going the Chinese way totally.
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