[Tejas@perioimpl]

Every Jeep owner knows how unpredictable the steering is. You need to keep giving small corrective inputs (and at times large) all the time to make her go straight.

At times the steering is straight and the jeep goes straight. After a few kms the jeep goes straight when the steering is at a 30 degree angle.

I've been facing this problem all the time. I've done everything to rectify it (nearly everything). Check steering linkages and oiled it. Replaced wheel bearings, checked tie rods & aligned the wheels.

Jeep steering also seems to have a lot of play all the time.

Gypsies do not face this issue at all.

So, what can be done to make a Jeep's steering more predictable?

Does adding a Power steering make it more predictable or does the problem worsen?

Pour your thoughts and inputs here.

[ex670c]

Originally Posted by Tejas@perioimpl

Every Jeep owner knows how unpredictable the steering is. You need to keep giving small corrective inputs (and at times large) all the time to make her go straight.

At times the steering is straight and the jeep goes straight. After a few kms the jeep goes straight when the steering is at a 30 degree angle.

I've been facing this problem all the time. I've done everything to rectify it (nearly everything). Check steering linkages and oiled it. Replaced wheel bearings, checked tie rods & aligned the wheels.

Jeep steering also seems to have a lot of play all the time.

Gypsies do not face this issue at all.

So, what can be done to make a Jeep's steering more predictable?

Does adding a Power steering make it more predictable or does the problem worsen?

Pour your thoughts and inputs here.

Hi Tejas,

MRCBT (Manual Steering from M&M Pickup) + 51" OKBJ (Mahindra Major)

The Older setup has 7 Ball Joints, the newer one has 4 Ball Joints.

the rest -- http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...d-upgrade.html

Regards,

Arka

PS - Now you want the NGCS MM550XD steering Setup

[Tejas@perioimpl]

Originally Posted by ex670c

Hi Tejas,

MRCBT (Manual Steering from M&M Pickup) + 51" OKBJ (Mahindra Major)

The Older setup has 7 Ball Joints, the newer one has 4 Ball Joints.

PS - Now you want the NGCS MM550XD steering Setup

Lol.

Can the MRCBT go in with the Classic set up or do i need to change to 51"OKBJ.

BTW, didn't the classic come with 51"?

What cost are we looking at for the MRCBT and the 51"?

[DHABHAR.BEHRAM]

Dear Tejas - in your case, I remember that the steering box was loose on the chassis. I also showed you the holding heel pin which was also loose. Also, there is a worm to sector adjuster which you may set to adjust free play.

Please do not jump to any conclusion on aggregate swap. You have to do everything within the realm of well proven and sound engineering principles only. Please remember that nothing else will work. Anybody can say anything. NGCS is a well proven platform but it is different from non NGCS. The parts are mutually non-compatible. For example, caster and king pin inclination of an NGCS axle is different by design from a normal axle, because the chassis / suspension are set up differently.

Your CL340 classic is the best vehicle you can have to go offroad. Please understand the limit of its capability and within that circle of influence, please enjoy your OTRs.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

[Tejas@perioimpl]

Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

Dear Tejas - in your case, I remember that the steering box was loose on the chassis. I also showed you the holding heel pin which was also loose. Also, there is a worm to sector adjuster which you may set to adjust free play.

Please do not jump to any conclusion on aggregate swap. You have to do everything within the realm of well proven and sound engineering principles only. Please remember that nothing else will work. Anybody can say anything. NGCS is a well proven platform but it is different from non NGCS. The parts are mutually non-compatible. For example, caster and king pin inclination of an NGCS axle is different by design from a normal axle, because the chassis / suspension are set up differently.

Your CL340 classic is the best vehicle you can have to go offroad. Please understand the limit of its capability and within that circle of influence, please enjoy your OTRs.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

Dear Behramji,

After getting the wheel bearing changed and the box tightened, there is definitely a world of difference. I was just wondering if there is a way to make it more better.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by Tejas@perioimpl

So, what can be done to make a Jeep's steering more predictable?

What? You want to lose the only theft protection a Jeep has?

The steering vagueness has completely stopped bothering me. I just check the steering box regularly to ensure it hasn't become loose.

[ex670c]

Originally Posted by Tejas@perioimpl

Lol.

Can the MRCBT go in with the Classic set up or do i need to change to 51"OKBJ.

BTW, didn't the classic come with 51"?

What cost are we looking at for the MRCBT and the 51"?

Hi Tejas,

For best results
1) MRCBT (9k Brand New)
2) 51" OKBJ (20K Second Hand)
3) RTC Steering Damper

Regards,

Arka

PS - The attachment is a Chart of M&M Vehicle (Chassis/Yoke/Front & Rear Track/Camber/Caster/KPI/Toe-In/Max Wheel Angle etc

[Desmosedici]

i also have a similar issue with the gypsy, it doesnt stray to a very great extent but the play is too much and even on straight roads i sometimes need to keep moving the steering like how the heroes used to drive in old movies (keep the steering moving left and right slightly)

Can this be adjusted?

[gsferrari]

Same vagueness in my Gypsy as well (new).

I don't mind it because it helps on OTRs where the steering spins wildly but it still manageable as long as you keep your thumbs out of the way and don't fight it too much. I expect the spinning and the violence of the spins will be much stronger if the steering was more precise.

It isn't too annoying on the highway at speeds.

Tejas - let me drive your jeep to see if there is a huge difference from the Gypsy. I honestly thought the Gypsy was as bad as it could get.

[Kandisa]

Originally Posted by gsferrari

....I honestly thought the Gypsy was as bad as it could get.

Bit surprising to know that even a new gypsy has a vague steering! From my limited experience i thought that gypsy steering is much more direct and accurate than a stock jeep steering set up.

[gsferrari]

Yup..it is vague and it never feels the same from one day to the other. I've never driven a jeep as long as I have driven the Gypsy but m CJ3B felt just as vague. No such problems with the bolero though.

[V-16]

Vague is an understatement. My steering has a different feel everyday so during an OTR we usually engage in mind games
Seriously Jeep owners have to learn to live with the vagueness. Thats one of the attributes one needs to get used to. I dont think you should change your set up and incur a huge expense only because your Jeep is OTR specific and for very rare and occasional in-city driving

[narendra.vw]

I would suggest start with miner repair. Check steering box play. there is a stud with nut on it, loosen the nut, screw the stud check the play. Tighten the nut back. Chuck the idle arm bush for play if necessary replace the bush. Add steering dampers for steering rod (benz OE dampers).

[Tejas@perioimpl]

Originally Posted by Samurai

What? You want to lose the only theft protection a Jeep has?

The steering vagueness has completely stopped bothering me. I just check the steering box regularly to ensure it hasn't become loose.

Just exploring options. Is this loosening of the steering box a regular feature? I thought it was specific to my Classic only.

Originally Posted by gsferrari

I honestly thought the Gypsy was as bad as it could get.

GS, gypsy steering is 100 times better than the jeep.

Originally Posted by V-16

I dont think you should change your set up and incur a huge expense only because your Jeep is OTR specific and for very rare and occasional in-city driving

Goji, not for city driving, but driving upto the OTR trail on the highway does one feel the necessity for better steering.

Originally Posted by narendra.vw

I would suggest start with miner repair. Check steering box play. there is a stud with nut on it, loosen the nut, screw the stud check the play. Tighten the nut back. Chuck the idle arm bush for play if necessary replace the bush. Add steering dampers for steering rod (benz OE dampers).

Thanks. After going through Arka's thread, i am considering dampers.

[starter]

Originally Posted by gsferrari

Same vagueness in my Gypsy as well (new).

I don't mind it because it helps on OTRs where the steering spins wildly but it still manageable as long as you keep your thumbs out of the way and don't fight it too much. I expect the spinning and the violence of the spins will be much stronger if the steering was more precise.

It isn't too annoying on the highway at speeds.

Tejas - let me drive your jeep to see if there is a huge difference from the Gypsy. I honestly thought the Gypsy was as bad as it could get.

GS,
Trust me, Gypsy steering isn't vague at all. Atleast not in my Gypsy.
Jeep's steering is scary/crazy. From the little driving of Jeeps that i've done, It is exactly what Samurai has experienced while driving Arka's Jeep.
It was a old CJ500D which i've driven and you could never rely on the steering wheel position and drive that Jeep. The driver of that Jeep, an old man, told me to watch the front wheels and drive. So, when you compare that to a Gypsy, Gypsy is as good as a car.
Headers (Vikram) suggested me to get the king-pin checked. Maybe, you might also want to get it checked in MASS on the next service.
Cheers,
Deepak