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Originally Posted by Frankenstein The chassis from the middle till the rear is a C section , which is also reinforced by another C section from the inside. If suppose a heavy scorpio or perkins p6 engine is plonked into an old 540 , what part of the chassis will brake . |
Frank-- forget something like P6 , its way too heavy , but the scorp ? yes its possible .
I will suggest you go through my post # 7 once again . Compare the Jeep & Landy chassis , the main difference is the C & box section .
But another important feature of landy chassis is the ' Two ' Fixed cross members below the GB & bell housing ( engine flywheel & clutch area ) The old Jeep C chassis lacks strength here ,
The sag area I have shown ( in red circle ) is the inherent weakness of the 'C ' type Jeep chassis , because there is no fixed crossmember in there & the chassis also needs some more strength there .
Now with reference to your Q : even if you do all the strengthening by adding another C from inside , you will need to address 'this' particular issue . You will need to add fixed crossmembers bellow the GB & near the front leaf mounting brackets ( just bellow the engine bell housing area ) so that the flex will be controlled effectively .
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Will the middle C section part break while the vehicle lands hard?
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Yes quite possible , expect this between the GB cross member & the leaf mount bracket . Another area will be the front chassis ' arch ' the area between the two leaf mount brackets .
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Will the front box section crack because of the engine weight as you said?
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Quite Possible , the thrust side of engine mounting ( RH ) seems more susceptible
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Will the whole chassis twist and break during suspension flex because of the engine weight?
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Will surely develop stress with time & finally give way
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How can we make the front box section stronger?
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IMHO adding some thicker & continious C section ( removing the original ) & most importantly adding those 'Two Fixed Crossmembers ' I have mentioned earlier --- but then you will have to remove the GB from inside the vehicle by removing sections of flooring & seats ( Just like the Landrover )
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If we add additional cross members like the cj340 pics posted above , wont the chassis crack because of the lack of flexing.( i was told that it does by local load carrying Jeep drivers who had bad results ).
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IMHO , all the load gets concentrated bellow the drivers feet here because all the other areas are ' Rigid ' now & this particular area seems the only weak link in ' That ' chassis
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The diagram posted by you shows the chassis sagging, i guess it is due to load carried by the Jeep (taxis) or is it caused by powerful heavy engines.
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Not exactly , I have seen this happening in Standard Jeeps ( mostly diesels & above 80" wb ) , this is due to bad roads ( shocks ) & years of abuse / stress building up .
I am not an engineer these are general observations ,
IMHO fitting a more powerfull & larger Petrol engine will not give as many problems as any diesel will give , though it will be a gas guzzler .
IMHO , ( WRT larger & powerful engines ) the area just bellow the drivers feet will be the area where all the stresses are going to get concentrated ( engine torque & suspension stress ) till you take care of that particular area , nothing will work correctly -- Also the Engine foundations , Particularly on the thrust side of engine will need special attention while the re build
Sudarshan