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Old 26th June 2021, 22:37   #286
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Thought, it was the time to upgrade the brake booster of Bolero to Scorpio/Thar CRDe. The resultant effect is just amazing
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Old 25th July 2021, 00:21   #287
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Was shifting out of my workshop the past few days (after five years there, owner decided to (dubiously) convert the property into a hotel!!!), so borrowed this Bolero Camper from a friend to haul the bigger stuff with:

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Is this OT? Not really, as we've been considering a replacement for the Marshal, and a Camper has been one option under consideration. Though this 2015 model is 14 years newer than our car, they are very similar vehicles, of similar pedigree in truth, sharing the same basic platform. So the best way the evaluate it is probably by comparison.

In the Camper's favor, it has fairly quick, light power steering, a five-speed overdrive gearbox (with a synchronized 1st!), a considerably tighter, less creaky main body structure, marginally better legroom in the second row, slightly more midrange oomph with the turbo motor, with just a bit less engine noise, likely on account of some padding under the floor mat and tall dashboard, if nothing else.

Almost all standard (non-Gold) Campers are painted white, which is not a color I'm fond of, but this one does turn heads everywhere on account of the wider wheels/tyres, the "roll" bar in the box, the snorkel, the robust custom front & rear bumpers, aftermarket grille, and of course, that not-too-subtle winch up front... rather "butch" I must say.

So this is the first vehicle other than the Marshal my kids have been really enthused about and thought they'might like to have in the family (they enjoy riding in the cargo box, of course, just like I did as a kid - back when that was legal in the U.S.!). My wife of course liked the power steering... and thought the vehicle seemed "quiet" (this can be forgiven, as she's spent most of her driving years behind the wheel of old Mahindra 4x4's, felt even the Marshal drove "light" vs. the old Commander she learned on)...

Anyway, it has some downsides: First, it's a much longer vehicle, so considerably tougher to find parking spots and LOTS of rear overhang to deal with. And the wheelbase is also longer, meaning the turning radius and (effective) articulation and breakover angle and etc are not anywhere near as good as the Marshal, which itself is pretty LWB vs. "real" Jeeps... The old indirect-drive Dana-Spicer TC is robust but bad for NVH and is hard-shifting compared with the silky-smooth inline Armada Borg-Warner in our Marshal. While the 5-speed (NGT520?) really makes it run more relaxed on the highway, one thing I seriously dislike about this gearbox vs the old KMT90 is that reverse gear has a VERY high ratio. Have to pretty much half-clutch or put in 4L most of the time, since normally even at idle it moves along really quickly. I'm pretty much like (Tow)Mater when it comes to reverse driving, so sure, I can handle 40kmph when needed (which is never) but most of the time when manoeuvering, something more like a crawl seems more appropriate, and it just can't do that in 2/4H.

As for the rest, well, visibility's great even with the slightly thicker A-pillars and seat being lower (wife didn't like that part). Can see the front fenders, unlike old Jeeps. Ground clearance also roughly same as the Marshal, which is to say plentiful, as is headroom (I'm 6'2"). Springs are very hard/ truck-like, so it jostles everyone very badly in every direction on broken roads, the upside being that in hard cornering on good roads, there's almost no body-roll.

Will close here: is it really tempting as a replacement? Well, depends on how often the cargo box will be used, vs. needing to have locked, waterproof stowage. These are extrémely popular vehicles locally but they do involve compromises. Also in this district, at least, the RTO is not favorable to granting private registrations on these (elsewhere they do), so that creates another annual headache/expense... as well as potential issues during interstate travel?

I think a Scorpio Getaway would probably make more sense forn us as an all-rounder, certainly more powerful and quiet and smooth down the road, with A/C standard - and easily white-plate-able - though I hate the electric TC, resale could be tough, and maintenance costs are likely to be somewhat higher.

-Eric.

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Old 26th July 2021, 17:17   #288
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...I think a Scorpio Getaway would probably make more sense for us as an all-rounder....

-Eric.
I am pretty sure Mahindra has discontinued making/selling the Getaway.

Toyota is going to bring the Hilux to India soon, rumor is. 2.8 diesel is the current word on that, 20 lakh is what I have heard. Isuzu V-Max and Tata Xenon are still options of a sort. Ford Ranger is coming to India, I am not a Ranger fan, Ranger is not an F-150. Nissan and Jeep are also rumored to be bringing Pickups to India. Hyundai may have something in the oven.

Maybe something new will pop up in India, but right now Simple, Rugged and Cheap seem to be gone with the wind. Even Maruti marketing seems lost. Mahindra marketing really missed the boat on the potentialities of their 4X4 pickups including the Bolero Camper. Why call it a "Camper" and then not have a life style version? Silly question, I know.

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Old 30th July 2021, 11:19   #289
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right now Simple, Rugged and Cheap seem to be gone with the wind. Even Maruti marketing seems lost. Mahindra marketing really missed the boat on the potentialities of their 4X4 pickups including the Bolero Camper. Why call it a "Camper" and then not have a life style version? Silly question, I know.
A Camper Gold 4x4 would have been nice, indeed, and easily white-plate-able in many/most jurisdictions.

Gurkha 5-door is rugged/ simple but you're not going to readily find spares nationwide.

Old Fortuners generally reliable and getting affordable and the AWD with manual 4Lo lever pretty foolproof... but friend quoted 1.2L for a front differential??? M&M would be 10-15k tops for that part!

Duster AWD seems to have reliability issues if tBhp threads to be believed (of course they are!).

Pajero/Montero/Terracan/CR-V/X-Cross/SantaFe/Yeti/GV etc, etc will run into spares procurement issues in many parts of this land, at least if required somewhere in the midst of a lengthy tour. Same with Xenon and probably the Aria (which like some others is a softroader with no 4Lo range), and is niggly like the Safari.

Old Endys getting dirt cheap, but by the time the old IDI engine was replaced, so was the manual 4x4 and gearbox... Aaargh!!!

Scorps said to be reliable but later models,as though the electro-TC weren't enough, have added electro-axles in lieu of lockout hubs. These do fail (seen it personally), and they get ridiculously expensive to deal with - ŕnd to what advantage???

BSIV Bolero 4x4 is cramped but efficient and
relatively simple / efficient... also rare and not gonna be cheap secondhand yet.

hmmm....

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Old 30th September 2021, 21:00   #290
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A few years of toil for you and a nice evenings read for me! Lovely thread!
Your Marshall is a looker!

I totally got you when after considering every conceivable option your stuck to the Marshall.

I had the same feelings about my 2009 Fortuner. Unfortunately living in Delhi we have have to deal first hand with all the arbitrary laws that get passed (10 year rule for Diesels) and i reluctantly had to part with mine in 2019 for 7.5 lacs.

I would say if you can get your hands on one now (2009, 2010 vintage) for around 5 to 6 lacs and if it has a full service history ( like mine did) it would be a great choice.
Fuel economy was always decent and in the over 200,000 kms i drove mine it never had a mechanical breakdown.

I'm in touch with its current owner and he is very happy with it at close to 300,000 kms.

Getting back to the main point. I loved your thread and the passion with which you restored the Marshall.

Do please post some interior pics too.

As i mentioned earlier I live in Delhi and if you need some help sourcing parts i'd be happy to help.

I'm currently trying to keep calm about the new 2021 Gurkha but am quite certain that i will not be able to fight of the urge anymore.

What are your views on the new Gurkha?

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Old 23rd October 2021, 16:29   #291
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Finally posting the done car pics.
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Finally posting the done car pics.
This restoration deserves a separate thread of it's own both for Restoration and Ownership Review. Looks dope...
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Finally posting the done car pics.
Love the sandy-beige colour. It's similar to shade used on LC70's in Africa. Has a great safari vibe to it.

The maroon seats compliment it well.

How does she drive after the SZ2600 conversion?

Won't a bonnet scoop, or some other way to route ram air be required for a top mounted intercooler to be effective/efficient.

Is it possible to get rid of the bend in the pipe from the intercooler to the inlet manifold?

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Love the sandy-beige colour. It's similar to shade used on LC70's in Africa. Has a great safari vibe to it.

The maroon seats compliment it well.

How does she drive after the SZ2600 conversion?

Won't a bonnet scoop, or some other way to route ram air be required for a top mounted intercooler to be effective/efficient.

Is it possible to get rid of the bend in the pipe from the intercooler to the inlet manifold?
Thanks for your compliments.
She drives effortless. At speeds you only hear the hiss of the turbo underload else purrs like a multi valve gas engine.
Will put some thinking into a scoop for intercooler definitely and how to avoid water/dust ingress.
The crooked pipe..yes last minute hurdle..will instal a smooth bend.
Thanks again.
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