MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse

DHABHAR.BEHRAM · 22nd November 2012, 08:50

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Originally Posted by Frankenstein

So what made you choose the NGCS chassis, Onroad handling? Can take a bigger heavier engine? Tuff suspension? Did the C section chassis break? Did the old suspension break?

Dear Frankenstein - Yes for on-road handling due to 2.5 times better torsional rigidity. Yes for tough suspension. Yes for "C" section chassis breaking also, especially in army application. Yes for old suspension breaking also.

If we had not done NGCS, Bolero would not be where it is today!

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Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

sreejeshmp · 22nd November 2012, 09:16

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Originally Posted by Salikt

Hi Sreejesh,

Sure I will give you a visit in my next vacationto c this horse in flesh. I used to pass through Areecode frequently on my way to Ugrapuram (Alukkal) to visit my sis.

Sadiq.

Sadiq,

My home is at Ugrapuram itself. right side first when you entering to Ugrapuram from Alikkal .

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Originally Posted by Frankenstein

Sreejesh sir, i dont know , hence i asked you.

So what made you choose the NGCS chassis,
Onroad handling?
Can take a bigger heavier engine?
Tuff suspension?
Did the C section chassis break?
Did the old suspension break?

Sandeep Sir,

This time I believe in theory more than Practical/Experience
I need to test the Onroad/offroad handling of the NGCS (I am not driven one yet) But I am sure there will be a technical solution if anything wrong with the handling which I needed.
I believe it can take heavier engine without vibration

Any chassis/suspension can break if we want to,

Some WIP pics Tinkering Continues.

sreejeshmp · 22nd November 2012, 09:23

I am going for a simple flat dash/meter console this time like CJ7 . Pratheesh,Sudarsan Bhai,DB sir, this and Innova seats are the only modification I am doing in interior

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Plan :-

MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse-img_0552.jpg

MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse-for550.jpg

Driving_Nomad · 22nd November 2012, 14:05

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Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

Dear Frankenstein - Yes for on-road handling due to 2.5 times better torsional rigidity. Yes for tough suspension. Yes for "C" section chassis breaking also, especially in army application. Yes for old suspension breaking also.

If we had not done NGCS, Bolero would not be where it is today!

.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

BD Sir, could you throw some more light into this matter (Comparing a NGCS with the older C section chassis) in your typical "Totality Style" so that lesser mortals like me understand?

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Originally Posted by sreejeshmp

I am going for a simple flat dash/meter console this time like CJ7 . Pratheesh,Sudarsan Bhai,DB sir, this and Innova seats are the only modification I am doing in interior

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The dials would look awesome if mounted on an SS plate like in the second picture. Or a brushed aluminium finish would also look super classy

My 2 cents.

Geje · 24th November 2012, 07:59

Congratulations Sir,
On your acquiring The War Horse, I was in the race for getting this beast, but lost to you. I am glad you got it. It was waiting for you to pick it up, I was told.
I am waiting to see the warrior in fully restored condition. Will meet in Coimbatore during registration.
Jerrycan has promised me another NGCS during January. Cant wait to get my hands on one.
Jess

sreejeshmp · 24th November 2012, 20:19

Jess sir,

I was following this NGCS for more than 3-4 months. Getting a good MM550 / MM550 NGCS is very difficult and you should be lucky enough to get a good one. All the best, I bought this and my previous jeep from Jerrycan.

Tinkering is over now need to fix the Jeep decal & make the dash.

MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse-img_0578.jpg

MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse-img_0579.jpg

MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse-img_0580.jpg

Mechanical work started with Wheels.

MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse-img_0582.jpg

MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse-img_0583.jpg

Start of the never ending Parts purchase

MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse-img_0585.jpg

If everything goes as planned will be driving it on next Saturday.

shk 8896 · 25th November 2012, 09:10

Hi sreejesh,
Nice jeep you have got.BTW,which colour have you planned to go for?I suggest you something like the CJ3B "dog" has.It wouldbe very nice on your MM550.Also have you planned to go for alloys?Why not get the steel wheels with Maxxis Bighorn or any other tyre?Also get the rear bumper with spare tyre mount from Swastik Fabs at the given link.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...crde-thar4.jpg
All the best
Sreehari Krishnan

sreejeshmp · 25th November 2012, 12:08

What about some graphics like this on dash ? A Malappuram touch

Confused

help .

slalom · 25th November 2012, 12:51

Hey sreejesh ,congrats on your find !

Malappuram touch ,lol , those graphics are not bad ....

I believe a Scorpio engine will be on the pipeline as well ?

Waiting to see the horse in action .

Driving_Nomad · 26th November 2012, 11:03

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Originally Posted by sreejeshmp

What about some graphics like this on dash ? A Malappuram touch

Attachment 1018028

Confused

help .

Sreejesh,

IMO, the earlier picture of mounting them over a SS plate would look timeless! You could cover the rest of the dash in a plain Vinyl so that they feel better to touch than sheet metal!
My 2 cents again!

Shubhendra · 26th November 2012, 16:07

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Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

Dear Frankenstein - Yes for on-road handling due to 2.5 times better torsional rigidity. Yes for tough suspension. Yes for "C" section chassis breaking also, especially in army application. Yes for old suspension breaking also.

If we had not done NGCS, Bolero would not be where it is today!

.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

Dear DB Sir,
I am still waiting for response to my question asked few days back. Why don’t you share the difference between old gen 550 and NGCS rather than beating around bush?
I hope its neither a trade secret nor copyright of M&M.

Shubhendra Singh

Frankenstein · 26th November 2012, 19:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

Dear Frankenstein - Yes for on-road handling due to 2.5 times better torsional rigidity. Yes for tough suspension. Yes for "C" section chassis breaking also, especially in army application. Yes for old suspension breaking also.

If we had not done NGCS, Bolero would not be where it is today!

.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

Sir is the chassis and suspension breaking limited to the 550 or even the CJ3b?

Bolero, bought one green color vehicle when it came out. I think peugo engined one.
Have fond memories .Peppy engine, powerful a/c.
Somewhere near kolar, broken road, a friend sitting at the back puked 20 times in a span of 100kms ,Finally he puked blood, driver too got scared

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The ride is horrible.

Had a short stint with a NGCS 550.

Rock climbing. CJ5S CJ3B/3A nonngcs 550s went up easily.
NGCS wont go , too stiff, 3 drivers tried , finaly took it gypsy style , pedal to the metal in 2nd low .
Thar here broke the front shaft with the rear leafs twisted .
Ngcs feels like a truck to drive .
Cj3b will run rings around this lorry .

sreejeshmp · 26th November 2012, 22:14

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Originally Posted by slalom

Hey sreejesh ,congrats on your find !

Malappuram touch ,lol , those graphics are not bad ....

I believe a Scorpio engine will be on the pipeline as well ?

Waiting to see the horse in action .

Scorpio Engine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driving_Nomad

Sreejesh,

IMO, the earlier picture of mounting them over a SS plate would look timeless! You could cover the rest of the dash in a plain Vinyl so that they feel better to touch than sheet metal!
My 2 cents again!

taken the 2 cents.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankenstein

Sir is the chassis and suspension breaking limited to the 550 or even the CJ3b?

Had a short stint with a NGCS 550.

Rock climbing. CJ5S CJ3B/3A nonngcs 550s went up easily.
NGCS wont go , too stiff, 3 drivers tried , finaly took it gypsy style , pedal to the metal in 2nd low .
Thar here broke the front shaft with the rear leafs twisted .
Ngcs feels like a truck to drive .
Cj3b will run rings around this lorry .

Can you post the video or any pics of the particular ROCK CLIMBING ? CJ5 & CJ3B may be because they are SWB jeeps but 550 & NGCS I still don't understand what type of articulation you are getting from a 550 ?

Do you think 550 with out LSD can do the same ?

svsantosh · 26th November 2012, 23:37

sree like Frankie said I too feel the ngcs doesn't flex both in leaf and chassis dept compared to old school Jeeps, this may be a issue in articulation and offroading, I tried simple things in my Ngcs AG and its on a blue pill always - Stiff!!!

madhkris · 27th November 2012, 06:31

Congrats Sreejesh on a rare find and well progressing restoration. Looks like there is no need for a ground up restoration.
DB Sir, request you, like others, to please throw some light on the differences between NGCS/ old 550s,both on and off-road.
@ Santosh: We can have now a "Jeep on Blue pill" just like the gypsy on steeroids!!

22nd November 2012, 09:23	#33
sreejeshmp BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Areekode Posts: 651 Thanked: 821 Times	Re: MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse I am going for a simple flat dash/meter console this time like CJ7 . Pratheesh,Sudarsan Bhai,DB sir, this and Innova seats are the only modification I am doing in interior . Plan :-
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24th November 2012, 07:59	#35
Geje BHPian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Coimbatore Posts: 33 Thanked: 14 Times	Re: MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse Congratulations Sir, On your acquiring The War Horse, I was in the race for getting this beast, but lost to you. I am glad you got it. It was waiting for you to pick it up, I was told. I am waiting to see the warrior in fully restored condition. Will meet in Coimbatore during registration. Jerrycan has promised me another NGCS during January. Cant wait to get my hands on one. Jess
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24th November 2012, 20:19	#36
sreejeshmp BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Areekode Posts: 651 Thanked: 821 Times	Re: MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse Jess sir, I was following this NGCS for more than 3-4 months. Getting a good MM550 / MM550 NGCS is very difficult and you should be lucky enough to get a good one. All the best, I bought this and my previous jeep from Jerrycan. Tinkering is over now need to fix the Jeep decal & make the dash. Mechanical work started with Wheels. Start of the never ending Parts purchase If everything goes as planned will be driving it on next Saturday.
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25th November 2012, 09:10	#37
shk 8896 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: CLT/TVM Posts: 384 Thanked: 186 Times View My Garage	Re: MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse Hi sreejesh, Nice jeep you have got.BTW,which colour have you planned to go for?I suggest you something like the CJ3B "dog" has.It wouldbe very nice on your MM550.Also have you planned to go for alloys?Why not get the steel wheels with Maxxis Bighorn or any other tyre?Also get the rear bumper with spare tyre mount from Swastik Fabs at the given link. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...crde-thar4.jpg All the best Sreehari Krishnan Last edited by shk 8896 : 25th November 2012 at 09:19.
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25th November 2012, 12:08	#38
sreejeshmp BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Areekode Posts: 651 Thanked: 821 Times	Re: MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse What about some graphics like this on dash ? A Malappuram touch Confused help .
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25th November 2012, 12:51	#39
slalom BHPian Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: " Deep " in God's Own Country !! Posts: 199 Thanked: 138 Times	Re: MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse Hey sreejesh ,congrats on your find ! Malappuram touch ,lol , those graphics are not bad .... I believe a Scorpio engine will be on the pipeline as well ? Waiting to see the horse in action .
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26th November 2012, 23:37	#44
svsantosh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 3,995 Thanked: 6,254 Times View My Garage	Re: MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse sree like Frankie said I too feel the ngcs doesn't flex both in leaf and chassis dept compared to old school Jeeps, this may be a issue in articulation and offroading, I tried simple things in my Ngcs AG and its on a blue pill always - Stiff!!!
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27th November 2012, 06:31	#45
madhkris BHPian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Bengalur Posts: 292 Thanked: 83 Times View My Garage	Re: MM550 XD NGCS - The War Horse Congrats Sreejesh on a rare find and well progressing restoration. Looks like there is no need for a ground up restoration. DB Sir, request you, like others, to please throw some light on the differences between NGCS/ old 550s,both on and off-road. @ Santosh: We can have now a "Jeep on Blue pill" just like the gypsy on steeroids!!
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