[johannes]

Going through this thread and by DB sir's last tease about the Thar while it was being concieved, My logic says this thing has to be a rebirth of something old . Just like the MM540/550 was resurrected as the Thar, I would like to think this one to be the Sierra, with solid axles and coil over suspension and the safari engine and diff-locks. oohh la la that would be one sweet ride. Oh and with the option of 2 doors or 4 doors (hence the thread title single\double cab)

[ACM]

10L.
Double Cab
Normal angled second row seat back.
Xenon look good.
17" rims
255-235 width tyres. Xenon ones are too small.
Speedo should be visible through rake and reach adjustable steering.
Night adjustable driver seat.
Double Din integrated Bluetooth, CD, USB, head unit with steering mounted controls.
No delicate components that can be damaged right in front bottom.
Roof rails
Dual airbags.
Pseudo leather interior that is easy to clean.
Air intake snorkel
Rear bed hard cover and full box type cover accessories.
Provision for front guard with winch and extra lights.
Roll cage accessory to be available.
4x4 knob like on Storme.
ACC, cruise control, auto lights and auto rain sensing wipers on top variant. Only three variants. To two with 4x4

Do not see this as That alternative so does NOT have to be short wheel base. This has to be a combination of lifestyle vehicle and materials mover. Xenon is too crude on the inside for lifestyle but fine for materials.

This will not be used for rock climbing nor on narrow trails but on muddy and sandy roads.

[bikertillidie]

Looks like a revamped xenon is in the offing ....

http://www.team-bhp.com/news/tatas-plans-lcv-segment

[hserus]

Originally Posted by bikertillidie

Looks like a revamped xenon is in the offing ....

http://www.team-bhp.com/news/tatas-plans-lcv-segment

In which case a lot of the offroader, seating comfort and ICE wishlist - double DIN bluetooth stereo etc - is getting parked?

Honestly, this is one of those cases where a vehicle like this, priced reasonably, can attract sufficient aftermarket customization of accessories, seating etc, as long as the basics are in place (power steering, shocks etc that don't feel as tractor motor like as you get in most indian commercial vehicles)

[Parm]

Originally Posted by ACM

10L. YES
Double Cab. YES
Normal angled second row seat back. YES
Xenon look good. YES
17" rims. 15/16 ARE ENOUGH
255-235 width tyres. Xenon ones are too small. YES
Speedo should be visible through rake and reach adjustable steering. YES
Night adjustable driver seat. NO
Double Din integrated Bluetooth, CD, USB, head unit with steering mounted controls. NO
No delicate components that can be damaged right in front bottom. YES
Roof rails. YES
Dual airbags. YES
Pseudo leather interior that is easy to clean. NO
Air intake snorkel. YES
Rear bed hard cover and full box type cover accessories. YES
Provision for front guard with winch and extra lights. YES
Roll cage accessory to be available. YES
4x4 knob like on Storme. NO, IT NEEDS TO BE MANUAL.
ACC, cruise control, auto lights & auto rain sensing wipers on top variant. NO
Only three variants. To two with 4x4. YES
.

Lets try to keep it 10 Lakhs OTR price by having and not having the above mentioned wishes.

[ACM]

Originally Posted by Parm

Lets try to keep it 10 Lakhs OTR price by having and not having the above mentioned wishes.

ok then a 10L variant as suggested by you and a 11L one as suggested by me. The electronic stuff suggested by me should not add more than 1L OTR.

[Parm]

Originally Posted by ACM

ok then a 10L variant as suggested by you and a 11L one as suggested by me. The electronic stuff suggested by me should not add more than 1L OTR.

I would still prefer a vehicle which is controlled mechanically and has less electronic controls.

Hard Top. YES
Snorkel. YES
AC. YES
PS. YES
120-140 BHP. YES
350+ NM Torque. YES
At least Central diff Locks. YES
Manual shift for 4WD. YES
Rear de-fogger. YES

The additional features which can be retrofitted, then why should they be there in the first place to increase its OTR price and the insurance?

[bikertillidie]

Originally Posted by hserus

In which case a lot of the offroader, seating comfort and ICE wishlist - double DIN bluetooth stereo etc - is getting parked?

No clue, hserus. I sincerely hope not.

Originally Posted by hserus

Honestly, this is one of those cases where a vehicle like this, priced reasonably, can attract sufficient aftermarket customization of accessories, seating etc, as long as the basics are in place (power steering, shocks etc that don't feel as tractor motor like as you get in most indian commercial vehicles)

Very true. Tata would have a first mover's advantage if they manage to create such a niche segment and price the product right.

[DicKy]

Read in the Tata Kite thread that a fellow tbhpian has a news that a new compact SUV on the X2 platform with Sierra inspired styling is going to be launched in the next 3 months.

Though difficult to believe without seeing any scoop pics, this thread is the only concrete proof that such a vehicle exists or is being developed.

Please DB sir, any news

[jeepster]

I own 2009 Xenon XT, which has done around 42K kms in 2 years 10 months. (its a pre owned one from Uninor's fleet)

I am really satisfied with the ownership of the vehicle. (only had one suspension issue which was sorted in PUNE thanks to BD sir & a BorgWarner guy : ) )

I even tried to fit 32" Mts but they dont fit without some body mods, so canceled that plan.

here is my wishlist.

• short wheelbase
• better tuned 2.2vtt
• manual TC with less drop angle
• rear MLD
• better leg room in rear
• better drive train components (its rumored that front axle shafts are weaker than its MM counterpart)

Actually there is nothing to wish, everything is already there.

a tata support car from BCIM Car Rally 2013 with shorter wheelbase, manual TC, tuned engine with bigger turbo.

aka MH01AX8510.

rgds,
Nikhil

pic source: http://www.e-pao.net & www.facebook.com

EDIT:

Xenon Double Cab 150 NX-PLORE 4WD is already launched in Thailand.

A newly-developed 2.2-litre diesel Dicor engine, with 150HP, and torque of 320Nm at 1,500-3,000 RPM offering more power and fuel-efficient.

In addition, the improved G-76 MARK II clutch and 5-speed gear system allows for smoother driving.

The suspension system comes with a double wishbone suspension and torsion bar.

Safety is also increased with a brake booster that is twice the previous size.

The passenger compartment of the Tata Xenon Double Cab 150 NX-PLORE 4WD comes in an ebony black sporty design, giving passengers the feeling of a tough appearance with hidden beauty.

Additional functions include digital dashboard, stereo system with a built-in Bluetooth touchscreen system, and outlets to connect a range of equipment.

The standard safety and security system comes with two front passenger airbags, antilock braking system (ABS), and immobilizer system.

source: http://www.tatamotors.co.th/en/

[Kandisa]

Originally Posted by jeepster

I own 2009 Xenon XT, which has done around 42K kms in 2 years 10 months. (its a pre owned one from Uninor's fleet)
I am really satisfied with the ownership of the vehicle. (only had one suspension issue which was sorted in PUNE thanks to BD sir & a BorgWarner guy : ) )

Great to know about your experience.
Among your points in the wishlist, just a better leg room in the rear would be good enough to consider this as a family tourer vehicle. Presently it is too less and seats are too upright. A manual TC would be a dream addition, taking the reliability to the top notch level.

a tata support car from BCIM Car Rally 2013 with shorter wheelbase, manual TC, tuned engine with bigger turbo.
aka MH01AX8510.

So something like this already exists!! Wishful thinking, but do you have any interior picture of this vehicle? Are you sure on the manual TC part? Do you have any info on how this was implemented?

[jeepster]

Originally Posted by Kandisa

G
So something like this already exists!! Wishful thinking, but do you have any interior picture of this vehicle? Are you sure on the manual TC part? Do you have any info on how this was implemented?

yes 100% true.

• it has manual TC
• Engine tuned by Costworth with bigger turbo
• as seen in pic its got a chopped chassis (IMO around 2850mm)

another item in wishlist .

• space cab

rgds,
Nikhil

[hserus]

Once you are done drooling about that one - how about this beauty? http://robbreport.com/automobiles/do...as-been-reborn

[maddy42]

Originally Posted by jeepster

I own 2009 Xenon XT, which has done around 42K kms in 2 years 10 months. (its a pre owned one from Uninor's fleet)

I am really satisfied with the ownership of the vehicle. (only had one suspension issue which was sorted in PUNE thanks to BD sir & a BorgWarner guy : ) )

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rgds,
Nikhil

pic source: http://www.e-pao.net & www.facebook.com

EDIT:

I really like this one. The trailer should be smooth and not grooves like in a Mini lorry.

I would take anything which looks like a ford f150. That truck is


Also folks while suggesting price do suggest your upper limit and not the lower. In the thar thread people suggested 6lacs and the vehicle ended up being priced in the 8 lac region .

DB sir dont hit me for this.

Maddy

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by Jaguar

I detest the word Jugaad. IMO it is term used to pass off mediocre effort as something nice.

Originally Posted by Samurai

Therefore, really.... we don't need any more Jugaads. Please don't aim to make Jugaads saying people won't mind. Constantly tinkering kind owners might love it, but regular public or even regular BHPians will hate it.

Looks like our RBI Governor agrees with us.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/49011750.cms