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Old 13th April 2010, 13:08   #151
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Ankit, go for 1.3 mpfi or carb as it is tried and tested.

Welcome to old age syndrome : LOL
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Old 13th April 2010, 14:30   #152
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Ankit, go for 1.3 mpfi or carb as it is tried and tested.

Welcome to old age syndrome : LOL

1.3 !!!
hehe me been there too - only difference was I changed from LPG back to petrol (had to change carb in the process!!)
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Ankit, go for 1.3 mpfi or carb as it is tried and tested.
There are a few rally garages in Noida who prepare rally gypsies. Most of them have done a good number of 1.6 conversions and I saw at least one such vehicle in 2 garages that I visited. If I can afford it, it may not be a bad option. What may be the downsides?

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Hey Ankit
Converting the gypsy back to petrol is really a good decision.

I believe the 1.6 conversion should be anywhere around 60k's give or take 10-20k's.
This I am talking from a decent garage. Other options might be cheaper.

whereas the 1.3 shouldn't be an issue as engine can be bought from mayapuri for 10k's, add another 15k for overhauling, and then another 4-5 for overhauling the alternator, starter etc etc.
BTW these are just approx figures and I might be wrong!!!
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can we lawfully do a diesel conversion ?
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Old 14th April 2010, 11:50   #156
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Thanks Harjeev.

I think both the options will cost nearly the same with maybe a difference of 10K or so as there are things which are common for both engines which I will need changed like the fuel pump, Guages in the dashboard, fuel lines (maybe), etc. not sure what else.

Georgev - no you cant, unless you know someone on the inside. One of my friends got it done in Orissa.


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Ankit,

You could try Aman, Auto Point or Performance. My personal choice would be Performance for a Gypsy. The 1.6 conversion would cost you about 70K or so. But you need to keep the following things in mind - Reliabilty, and the cost of Baleno spares.

A good thing baleno engine would be that if you get a complete engine fit and not just the block - you can use the baleno compressor and ECU. you won't have any RPM issues with the AC on as in the 1.3 Mpfi.
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Hi Sainsinner

Thanks for your inputs. I am planning to go to AutoPoint this week to get an estimate. I have been there before with Rahul for minor work on his Gurkha. Although I have not decided if I will finally go in for the engine swap as the diesel performs very well offroad!

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Old 18th April 2010, 22:37   #159
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Diesel conversion for gypsy is very difficult.
Points to remember
1. gap between front diff and engine crank case.(for offloading it maters)
2.conversion plate ,centering of pressure plate. Clutch life will be reduced if care is not taken
3.diff and gear box ratio matches each other.you may suffer high torque low speed
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^^This gypsy is already diesel and a very good offroader. Ankit is converting back to petrol engine.
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Old 28th April 2010, 20:16   #161
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Hi, ankit,
I like to know ,why you want go back to petrol, diesel engines are heavy, give good traction for front wheel. Diesel engine has good torque witch help you in off roading
Please let know, I will try to help you with my knowledge limit.
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1.8L Isuzu.

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There are a few rally garages in Noida who prepare rally gypsies. Most of them have done a good number of 1.6 conversions and I saw at least one such vehicle in 2 garages that I visited. If I can afford it, it may not be a bad option. What may be the downsides?
Hi Ankit,

You can even opt for a 1.8L Isuzu MPFI and Gearbox.

Dwarka from Bangalore has done a similar upgrade.

The 4WD can easily be retained because the T-Case is divorced.

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Arka

PS - Add to that 4.16:1 Crawler Gears & Rear Locker
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Hi Arka

I think the 1.8L Isuzu is the most difficult option of the 3 choices and the increse in power over the 1.6L (with custom FFE and Headers) is not much whereas the cost is the same. Anyway, I am waiting for the diesel mill to get sold off first. What do you think?

Lock Right Lockers are sitting on top of my cupboard for the last 3 months waiting to be fitted. Since I had changed the tyres to Savero MT, I wanted to get used to them in OTRs before I went for the next upgrade... and then i just got lazy. Will fit them before the monsoon OTR season.

Crawler gears are also on the wish list but only after i have fitted the lockers and got used to them.

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Hi Ankit,

You can even opt for a 1.8L Isuzu MPFI and Gearbox.

Dwarka from Bangalore has done a similar upgrade.

The 4WD can easily be retained because the T-Case is divorced.

Regards,

Arka

PS - Add to that 4.16:1 Crawler Gears & Rear Locker
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Diff Locks

Hi All

I have got Lock Right diff locks fitted to the rear diff.

Diff-Locks help overcome the articulation issue and help you move even when you are in 4x4 mode and one front wheel and one rear wheel has lost traction. We all know that with open diffs, you are now STUCK!

There are lot of reviews you can read online about these and visit the manufacturers website to get the info, see videos, get prices etc. One good site is:

Lockright (Lock Right) lockers, Powertrax, best prices, lowest cost locker kits

Sad thing id that you need to order them from abroad as I don't think anyone stocks these in India.

There are some good online retailers from where you can order the ones that match your vehicles specifications.

I decided to go in for lockright S1530 diff-locs which was suggested by Shanawaz (Khan_Sultan) and Vaibhav (GotZuk). Thanks guys for your guidance.

Here is a Video of testing done post fitment being driven in 2WD Mode:


The fitting was done by Autopoint in Noida.

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good show Ankit.

BTW, lockers will be available for the gypsies and jeeps shortly!! Watch this space!!!
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