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Old 13th February 2020, 11:13   #631
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I had received these two pics as a forward yesterday - saying the auction is today. But when I shared this on the FB 4x4 group, I was told that the auction was held yesterday itself.
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Hi James,
Could you please update me which tyre size and brand you have fitted for your gypsy?

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Hello everyone,

I have been looking for a cheap 4X4 to try my hand at off-roading and diy maintenance for a long time. I liked the gypsy but always felt that all the preowned ones were a little too pricy like 2.5 to 3 Lakhs for an example from the early 1990's. Recently I have come across a few which seemed to be more realistically priced to me.

I would like to get your opinions about the following Gypsys for sale around me.

1. I like this on the most as of now. However, the front grill, the soft top, the rear seats and the spare wheel seems to be missing.

https://www.olx.in/item/maruti-suzuk...iid-1568562068

Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries-screen-shot-20200409-12.45.53-pm.png

2. This one appears to be a retired jungle safari vehicle.

https://www.olx.in/item/gypsy-for-sa...iid-1562445971

Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries-screen-shot-20200409-12.52.27-pm.png

3. This one is listed along with the above mentioned No.2 for 75,000/-. I feel like this might me too much work for me because of the missing doors etc.

https://www.olx.in/item/gypsy-for-sa...iid-1562445971

Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries-screen-shot-20200409-12.53.47-pm.png


I also have a few queries regarding Gypsys in general;

1. What would be a fair price for these Gypsys?

2. Is the 1000 CC carb engine powerful enough?

3. Keeping reliability and ease of maintenance in mind, which is better, a carburetted 1.3 or a MPFI 1.3?

4. How is the availability of parts for the gypsy? Are the available at Maruti's MGP outlets?

5. What are some of the things that I should look out for when inspecting a Gypsy before buying it? ( Ofcourse, it goes without saying that this will happen only AFTER the whole COVID-19 pandemic has been dealt with. I am just doing my homework now because I have a lot of free time on my hands.)

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I don't want PS in my Gypsy.

Hi Balan,
Can you share Indira nagar Mechanic details for Gypsy Power Steering.

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I would like to get your opinions about the following Gypsys for sale around me.
Hello Abhishek. It would be difficult to provide an assessment without physical inspection. It is next to impossible to find a "clean" Gypsy, given that most of these are acquired from institutions like the Army, Police, etc. and refurbished superficially. A good start would be to get a civilian Gypsy if possible, with clear papers - this in itself is a daunting task.

Will try and answer your queries to the best of my ability.

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1. What would be a fair price for these Gypsys?
There is no hard guideline as it varies (widely) based on the condition of the vehicle, ownership, etc. Better approach would be to fix a budget and hunt accordingly, accounting for 10-15% negotiation on the asking price. Do note, however, that Gypsy commands a premium given that it is out of production and its sheer off-road prowess!

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2. Is the 1000 CC carb engine powerful enough?
Depends on your definition of "powerful". It will not be a highway scorcher for sure, but with its better low-end torque and higher gearing, will be better off-road

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3. Keeping reliability and ease of maintenance in mind, which is better, a carburetted 1.3 or a MPFI 1.3?
MPFI, for sure. While the King carb has its own "raw" feel, it is practically impossible to maintain it, especially when it comes to issues with the carb.

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4. How is the availability of parts for the gypsy? Are the available at Maruti's MGP outlets?
Yes, for the most part. For others, you have boodmo which delivers parts within a week at the most.

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5. What are some of the things that I should look out for when inspecting a Gypsy before buying it?
Take it to a good mech. Gypsy is a very simple vehicle and any good mech worth his salt should be able to assess the condition very easily.

Hope this helps! All the best with your search.
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1. What would be a fair price for these Gypsys?

2. Is the 1000 CC carb engine powerful enough?

3. Keeping reliability and ease of maintenance in mind, which is better, a carburetted 1.3 or a MPFI 1.3?

4. How is the availability of parts for the gypsy? Are the available at Maruti's MGP outlets?

5. What are some of the things that I should look out for when inspecting a Gypsy before buying it? ( Ofcourse, it goes without saying that this will happen only AFTER the whole COVID-19 pandemic has been dealt with. I am just doing my homework now because I have a lot of free time on my hands.)

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1. rate of 2004 MPFI Gypsy king with ALL papers in order and in running condition varies from 2 to 4 lacs in MH
2. 1000 CC gypsy is very very under powered, dont settle for anything less than King MPFI (you will thank me later)
3. 1.3 carburetor doesnt work well, you will always have some or the other issues wirh carb. MPFI is maintenance free
4. You will get 95% parts in MGP shop by ordering and they are not expensive
5. Most important papers, followed by engine, GB and electronics, followed by rust. Rest is cheap to fix
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The bug has just arisen, so I will start the 100 mile journey with the first step, please help me with this question:

"Buy or Build?"

New we can't buy either way, if I opt for an army disposal vehicle; so a complete overhaul of many components along with complete replacement of a few will be required. Will the vehicle be reliable enough for long journeys, like say getting Leh'd etc?
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The bug has just arisen, so I will start the 100 mile journey with the first step, please help me with this question:

"Buy or Build?"

New we can't buy either way, if I opt for an army disposal vehicle; so a complete overhaul of many components along with complete replacement of a few will be required. Will the vehicle be reliable enough for long journeys, like say getting Leh'd etc?
A very warm welcome to the Gypsy world Kumar. It's an amazing vehicle to have.
I managed to pick mine before it went out of production last year.
But regarding the purchase of an army disposal, you could reach out to Aman https://www.facebook.com/autoattitudes/
There are a few vehicles featured in our forum as well.

I also bumped into this video: .
Seems like a garage in Jammu. Since it isn't too far, you could evaluate it too.

All the best.
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The bug has just arisen, so I will start the 100 mile journey with the first step, please help me with this question:

"Buy or Build?"

New we can't buy either way, if I opt for an army disposal vehicle; so a complete overhaul of many components along with complete replacement of a few will be required. Will the vehicle be reliable enough for long journeys, like say getting Leh'd etc?
IMO, stay away from army disposals. They are abused to the core and never be a reliable car for long distance travel.

I previously had one army disposal MPFI and really fed up with its maintenance. Then I sold off that and bought a used civilian Gypsy. Now no reliability issues and I use it for long distance travel.

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A very warm welcome to the Gypsy world Kumar. It's an amazing vehicle to have.
I have heard a few good words about the vehicle and even more about its ride quality


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I managed to pick mine before it went out of production last year.
But regarding the purchase of an army disposal, you could reach out to Aman
You picked at the right time, don't know why, but this vehicle probably commands an insane resale value. I mean, I am unable to find any value in the ones available online, the price they are asking for 10 year old examples is quite eye watering.

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Seems like a garage in Jammu. Since it isn't too far, you could evaluate it too.
I am definitely going to evaluate these guys, the Leh trip is on the cards, will take a stop at Jammu and have a thorough meeting with this group too. From the video, it felt like these guys are worth the extra penny as compared to those self-famed mechanics from places like Mayapuri in Delhi.

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IMO, stay away from army disposals. They are abused to the core and never be a reliable car for long distance travel
The issue is the 15 year registration life in Delhi. Aha, can we register those army disposal vehicles in this BS VI regime?

If I look at civilian vehicles, even the best ones I can find online are dated back to 2006-10, now buying a Gypsy of that vintage means I am buying a showpiece worth a few lac, that will be scrapped a few years down the line.

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I previously had one army disposal MPFI and really fed up with its maintenance. Then I sold off that and bought a used civilian Gypsy. Now no reliability issues and I use it for long distance travel.
Taken your word and noted down, I will start the search right away for a vehicle with <7 years vintage.

Either way, can a complete engine and transmission overhaul make a disposal vehicle worth it. Or still there will be multiple issues related to metal ageing?

BTW, I just came across two civilian examples too I guess (Maybe later they will also come out to be restored ones):
https://www.olx.in/item/maruti-suzuk...iid-1569185648
https://www.olx.in/item/gypsy-king-iid-1563948304

Additionally, one Gypsy specialist yesterday told me that, there is nothing called 'non-abused' Gypsy on the earth!
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I have been looking for a cheap 4X4 to try my hand at off-roading and diy maintenance for a long time. I liked the gypsy but always felt that all the preowned ones were a little too pricy like 2.5 to 3 Lakhs for an example from the early 1990's. Recently I have come across a few which seemed to be more realistically priced to me.
Welcome to wonderland Abhishek3001!

I was in a similar dilemma once upon a time. For me reliability on long drives was primary esp off road. A few of my friends bought second hand run down gypsys at a much lower cost but alas, it gives up on the bad roads.

While the mechanical systems are replaceable it is the engine that takes the brunt of use by prior owners. Poor knowledge of use of the 4wd transfer case can cause serious damage to the transmission. Some owners replace the gypsy carb with an omni carb for 'fuel efficiency'.

But then again it depends on your reasons for buying the vehicle. I do have some friends who take pleasure in repairing a vehicle just for the sheer pleasure of it. Drive it around. Wait for something to fail and get their hands greasy. Its a great way to learn. I had a similar experience driving a 14 year old carb m800 when i was posted in Assam. Suspension, carb, tuning, timing chain...what not gave way on my long drives..but not without learning. Then again an M800 is like a cycle for any mechanic...I was able to find a mechanic at 930pm at night outside Sibsagar when my M800 gave way after a non-stop journey from Kokrajhar.

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I had exactly the same reaction when I heard the cost!


Agreed. Suddenly my back feels much better


You are right. Just checked out the Suzuki NZ site and our beloved Gypsy is very much available there as the Farm Worker. Check this link out. Interestingly, while the lettering on the bonnet reads SUZUKI (as opposed to MARUTI here in India), the logo is MARUTI's! Looks like they forgot to replace it with a SUZUKI logo before loading it up for export.
Cool_Dube,
Can you share your tyre brand name and size details?
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Can you share your tyre brand name and size details?
Yokohama Geolandar A/T - 215/75 R15. Please note, however, that 205/70 R15 is the closest to OE spec.

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Dear Members,
I recently (before the lockdown) bought a secondhand Apr 2010 Gypsy King for my Dad. The dashboard and switch gear had been changed. I noticed that the wiper control stalk had only 02 speeds -Lo and Hi, and no Intermittent speed. As far as I am aware, newer Gypsies have INT speed for wiper. Drbones also confirmed his 2011 MG King has 03 speed wiper control.

Can someone confirm whether, 2010 Gypsy models, BS-III and BS-IV, also had INT speed? Was the change from 02 speed to 03 speed wiper controls effected as part of BS-III to BS-IV upgrade?

Next question- whether it is possible to just swap the combination switch for the upgrade? Is the delay timer circuit for INT speed located within the combination switch or there is an intermittent wiper speed relay separately housed near the fuse box like in some other cars for e.g Mahindra Thar?

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Yokohama Geolandar A/T - 215/75 R15. Please note, however, that 205/70 R15 is the closest to OE spec.
Thank you very much for your information.


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