discoverwild, beejay, rmonie - thank you guys.
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Originally Posted by GTO The way you describe the engine, seems to have been running on some old weary worn out unit |
On the contrary GTO the restorer has totally rebuilt the engine. It fires on one tick. Feels robust and crisp, not an ounce of smoke, and boy what a load of torque. Its just its NVH that is atrocious GTO. Its such a drag. If its not for the harshness and noise it would serve the vehicle great offroad.
Perhaps if we work on the mountings some harshness can be eliminated. Not sure. But the noise !!
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How soon are you going to slot that lever into 4x4 and get her dirty?
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This weekend for sure. The first day we brought the car home we went up the road to a point where there is a steep drop, unpaved. We engaged low and went down on tickover. But when Shams slotted into reverse and it went right back up he exclaimed his foot was off the throttle ! That engine has a crazy amount of torque.
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the monsoons have created havoc on all our trails!
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you guys are so lucky. The rains have played truant here in Andhra so far, perhaps the rain gods were waiting for me to pick up a 4x4 ? Its almost like let this mad lover of nature get his steed then the show will begin ??
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Originally Posted by Shubhendra that International Engine is not that bad |
For sheer offroad tractability I have to say its a delight. Unbelievable torque. Its just on NVH that I can't live with it. It just destroys the charm of a Jeep.
Driving cars with leaf spring suspensions has a totally different allure, especially on undulating unpaved roads. Even our old vintage cars ride similarly. The silence of petrol engines makes this experience something worth relishing. This diesel simply kills it. Please don't get me wrong. The engine was designed only for the one purpose of big low end torque and it delivers. I don't think NVH was a design criteria at all.
Understandably for offroad champions like UBS and many others the NVH is a small compromise given the unit's impressive offroad prowess.
I too can compromise on NVH but only when the vibrations and sounds are a bit like what come out of a quad cam Ferrari V8 or a Lambo V12
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Following are my observations.
1) Mileage – 6kms in Petrol Vs 10kms in Diesel.
2) Spare Parts Availability.
3) Easy to Repair – this so called Tractor Engine can be repaired by anyone anywhere with cheap spares.
4) Both engine have almost same Top Speed and yes CJ3B chassis can handle this much speed only. Even If you put any Japanese engine also you can’t cruise her to 120-130 confidently.
5) As per you International is Tractor Engine, but the same Tractor engine is doing duty in Mahindra Jeeps till date with small modifications. First with DI in Mahindra Major, Bolero, Invader,Savari, Pickup and with M2DI in Bolero & Scorpio ( I know they have refined it a lot)
6) Torque for Offroading – International with more Torque than Hurricane.
As per me, if you want this Jeep for occasional driving, you can trust this engine.
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All very valid points and I'd have to agree with you on all.
I wouldn't be exaggerating but all my life mileage was never an ownership criteria. Be it our vintage cars or my superbike fuel economy is never a consideration. Those big straight eights in my Packards drink a litre every 4 kms. To me a weekend 100 km drive in them or lunch at a restaurant cost the same. I'd rather burn the fuel any day.
So if offroading in the petrol engined Jeep means it burns a bigger hole in my pocket as compared to a diesel then so be it as the charm of a silent petrol far outweighs the economy of the diesel.
Yes on torque it would be a compromise. But come to think of it, for years the Jeep had the legendary L and F head Hurricane units. They are if anything adequate for most type of offroading.
My sole interest in offroading is to go into forest trails and visit mountains etc to enjoy nature. I like what those guys in Rajmachi and Karnataka do. I am not into monkeying around with 4x4's so if I see a ditch or a rock I am not into that trip of making sure I go through it/over it when I can always circum navigate it. To me its all about going places where a normal car can't. And above all its being close to something I deeply love, nature.
A lot of offroaders look forward to the monsoon season. I guess we can warrant a guess that the majority do so as it poses innumerous challenges to their offroad steed and their driving skills.
In my case this is not so. I look forward to the monsoons because nature in India comes alive. No other time of the year does our countryside come alive the way it does in monsoon. If I want to explore the countryside then I need a good offroader. I need to have the skills to be able to negotiate the challenges the wet trails pose. But my objective always has been and will remain to EXPLORE. In the process if I need to dig into whatever experience I have accumulated on the subject to ensure I meet and cross obstacles that would be my interest in the field and subject of offroading. I'm sure there are a few who view things this way.
Enjoying nature in an open top Jeep, in as much silence as possible has to be my number one priority when offroad.
So perhaps your observations point to a rational and sensible choice. A diesel for offroading. Performance and economy.
My choice, albeit irrational, enjoying nature in as much silence as possible.
PS: I will never forget that extraordinary moment in Corbett when we were in a Gypsy in a forest with 100 foot tall Sal trees, gently ambling along, the driver motioning us to speak in whispers, only the sound of dried leaves being crushed by the tires and an occasional gentle purr of the exhaust when the car accelerated, and there in front of us, a 150 feet ahead was a royal Bengal Tiger majestically walking on. We tailed him for a full five minutes. He knew we were behind, although we were almost noiseless.
Can you imagine what this crappy diesel would do to that moment?