1945 Willy's? Is it original? How much is it worth?

navial · 3rd January 2010, 19:06

I saw a 1945 Willy's Jeep today. The car is in running conditon. I am not sure about the originality of the jeep although it has participated in the Statesman Vintage Rally this year. I thought I would run it my experts on Team Bhp to tell me if this is original and how much should one be willing to shell out for it. Unfortunately my camera died and I had to make do with my blackberry hence the low resolution.

Parm · 3rd January 2010, 20:28

the speedometer shows Km/h.

if willys was made in america it should have Miles/hr!

svsantosh · 3rd January 2010, 20:49

Well at least Temp is starting from 100'

Fahrenheit

Navial - There are few historians who can help you here. PM UBS who researches Jeeps, Islamabad Jeep Club 'aamir567' has a old ford, he may know about Willy's, I also remembered PAVAN KADAM rebuilding a old Willys. Check with them personally.

PS - whats the approx price of these Oldies?

navial · 3rd January 2010, 21:15

Asking price is in the region of 5 Lacs which i think does not make sense at all.

crazyjeeperk · 3rd January 2010, 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parm

the speedometer shows Km/h.

if willys was made in america it should have Miles/hr!

I agree to your verdict about the dials sir, those does not seem to be original to my eyes.
(I am novice about vintage jeeps so kindly forgive me if i am wrong)

DKG · 3rd January 2010, 22:43

Something odd about this car. Can't quite figure it out, but doesn't look the real mc coy

SirAlec · 3rd January 2010, 23:50

If I have learned anything from UBS sir in last two days, the front grill is definitely fabricated, and a bad job clearly.

do you have another angle of engine bay.??

james · 4th January 2010, 08:22

This looks like a low bonnet conversion to me. The front grill and windshield frame looks odd!

S@~+#0$# · 4th January 2010, 09:20

From the pictures, I am pretty confident that this is not a real Willys MB. It looks to me as a CJ2A or CJ3A that has been made to look like a World War II Willy MB.

UBS Sir and other experts, please correct me if am wrong. Here is my observation:

The 7 slat Grille, badly made windshield frame and the presence of a Fuel Inlet on the LHS side (It should be below the seat) make it suspect. The slots for the axe and spade are also missing on LHS side. The 5 meter dash pattern is correct but this was present until the early CJ3Bs (my 3B has it), so cannot comment as lots of WW-II accessories/slots are missing. The original meters are difficult to procure, which explains the replacement with Yenkay and others. The dash light is incorrect. The wheels are also incorrect. The engine looks like the Go-Devil Engine, but this engine was available until CJ3A(upto circa 1953), so we cannot conclude.

Are you able to get better pictures of the engine bay and of the full dashboard please?

navial · 4th January 2010, 09:24

Here are some more shots i have.

navial · 4th January 2010, 09:30

These are just some more shots that i have that might help.

SirAlec · 4th January 2010, 16:04

Its a L head go devil thats for sure.

Dash is suspicious too.

this is the original one. check the GAS written on fuel guage

3rd January 2010, 19:06	#1
navial Newbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 18 Thanked: 3 Times	1945 Willy's? Is it original? How much is it worth? I saw a 1945 Willy's Jeep today. The car is in running conditon. I am not sure about the originality of the jeep although it has participated in the Statesman Vintage Rally this year. I thought I would run it my experts on Team Bhp to tell me if this is original and how much should one be willing to shell out for it. Unfortunately my camera died and I had to make do with my blackberry hence the low resolution. Attached Thumbnails
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3rd January 2010, 20:28	#2
Parm Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in a Toyota! Posts: 2,753 Thanked: 890 Times	the speedometer shows Km/h. if willys was made in america it should have Miles/hr!
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3rd January 2010, 20:49	#3
svsantosh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 4,005 Thanked: 6,337 Times View My Garage	Well at least Temp is starting from 100' Fahrenheit Navial - There are few historians who can help you here. PM UBS who researches Jeeps, Islamabad Jeep Club 'aamir567' has a old ford, he may know about Willy's, I also remembered PAVAN KADAM rebuilding a old Willys. Check with them personally. PS - whats the approx price of these Oldies?
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3rd January 2010, 21:15	#4
navial Newbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 18 Thanked: 3 Times	Asking price is in the region of 5 Lacs which i think does not make sense at all.
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3rd January 2010, 22:43	#6
DKG Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 3,711 Thanked: 1,389 Times View My Garage	Something odd about this car. Can't quite figure it out, but doesn't look the real mc coy
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3rd January 2010, 23:50	#7
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,393 Thanked: 726 Times	If I have learned anything from UBS sir in last two days, the front grill is definitely fabricated, and a bad job clearly. do you have another angle of engine bay.??
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4th January 2010, 08:22	#8
james BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mangalore Posts: 597 Thanked: 645 Times	This looks like a low bonnet conversion to me. The front grill and windshield frame looks odd!
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4th January 2010, 09:20	#9
S@~+#0$# BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 700 Thanked: 42 Times View My Garage	From the pictures, I am pretty confident that this is not a real Willys MB. It looks to me as a CJ2A or CJ3A that has been made to look like a World War II Willy MB. UBS Sir and other experts, please correct me if am wrong. Here is my observation: The 7 slat Grille, badly made windshield frame and the presence of a Fuel Inlet on the LHS side (It should be below the seat) make it suspect. The slots for the axe and spade are also missing on LHS side. The 5 meter dash pattern is correct but this was present until the early CJ3Bs (my 3B has it), so cannot comment as lots of WW-II accessories/slots are missing. The original meters are difficult to procure, which explains the replacement with Yenkay and others. The dash light is incorrect. The wheels are also incorrect. The engine looks like the Go-Devil Engine, but this engine was available until CJ3A(upto circa 1953), so we cannot conclude. Are you able to get better pictures of the engine bay and of the full dashboard please?
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4th January 2010, 09:24	#10
navial Newbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 18 Thanked: 3 Times	More engine shots Here are some more shots i have. Attached Thumbnails
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4th January 2010, 09:30	#11
navial Newbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 18 Thanked: 3 Times	more shots that may help These are just some more shots that i have that might help. Attached Thumbnails
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4th January 2010, 16:04	#12
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,393 Thanked: 726 Times	Its a L head go devil thats for sure. Dash is suspicious too. this is the original one. check the GAS written on fuel guage
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