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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Does Mahindra have a FFRA which can be mated to a 4x4 gearbox? Meaning does the new 4x4 gearbox from Mahindra that features on Scorpios, require a offset like the old CJ3B axles? Basically what I am trying to suggest is if M&M has a FFRA that can be used for the 4x4 drive train no reason why it cannot be offered. If they don't have a FFRA which can be used suitably with a 4x4 drive train then we are wasting our time expecting it Last edited by DKG : 4th March 2010 at 10:54. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Quote:
You sound like a man of experience (Top Level or Lower Level). Why should we even bother to understand their bureaucracy, Is it to justify to ourselves, soothe ourselves, that our intelligence has been insulted, so to further re-affirm that intelligence we try to develop a better understanding of something far more abstract (another Organizations Bureaucracy). They asked (Wish List), We Suggested, We did not get the Specs. And now we get the Ramayana, Mahabharat & the Upanishads. Regards, Arka | |
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BHPian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: New Delhi
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| ![]() I die slowly waiting for the Thar. On the other hand I have so much left to repaint and hammer the ole Bolero into mean looking beast I always wanted. Thar shar too late even for a pansy jeep rider like me. |
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Appreciate the effort that you and your team are putting into this project ![]() But it's high time to tell us the approx launch date. Prospective THAR buyers have already started moving towards Gypsy. Last edited by Jaggu : 4th March 2010 at 14:52. Reason: Please avoid Quoting entire large post for short replies. Thanks | |
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From what info I have. Scorpio Left Off-Set 57" SFRA Bolero Left Off-Set 53" FFRA Bolero Left Off-Set 53 SFRA Maxx Left Off-Set 59" The the KMT90 4WD and NGT5204WD had Right Off-Set or Centre Diff. The 53" Bolero Off-Set (Left Off-Set) FFRA can be used on the Thar, since it is using the Borg-Warner T-Case. And don't you think they had enough time since the (Nov 2008) 540 wish-list thread to develop one. Regards, Arka | |
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| ![]() Hi Arka, are the pinion angles same for 53" SFRA and FFRA? Spike |
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I don't know the Pinion Angle for either, but they are not the same. The Differential Pinion Angle they will depend on 1) Orientation of Engine 2) Gear Box 3) Transfer Case 4) Type of Propeller Shaft (2 Cardan or 3 Cardan/CV) Regards, Arka Last edited by ex670c : 4th March 2010 at 12:53. | |
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You are correct ![]() Spike ![]() Last edited by Jaggu : 4th March 2010 at 14:53. Reason: Make the Quote's as brief as possible, helps in readability. Thanks | |
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| ![]() If Anand Mahindra was an avid off-roader, the wishlist of Arka and other avid off-roaders would have been addressed by the Thar Design. I know of vehicles designed by Indian companies, complete with CMVR certification but never sold in the market. Why did such vehicles get designed and manufactured? Each of them was the brainchild of the respective company's promoters. But in reality, the Thar is a commercial project which in the end has to make money for Mahindra and Mahindra. So at best it is a good compromise between a regular car and an off-roader. Would I buy one? Yes, if it falls within my budget. As of now, I do not intend to get into hardcore off-roading. But I would like to own a Jeep that can take me on the highway as well as take me to places that my car cannot go. Is that the end of the road? No. Hardcore off-roaders will be a miniscule of the Jeep buyers. There are several things that M&M can do to improve those numbers and their image and then create a vehicle that will cater to that niche market without really bothering about how much money they might rake in, out of such a venture. And given the capability of M&M in terms of variants that they already have today, putting together such a vehicle should not be difficult. Case in Point. The bolero comes with IFS, but the 4x4 boleros come with non-IFS. A similar thing can be done with the Thar. But who will bell the cat? -Biju Last edited by pjbiju : 4th March 2010 at 13:16. |
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So Spike, it is the engine orientation which decided to go for SFRA? |
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So now change the Pinion Angle of the 53" FFRA and fit it on the Thar. ![]() And that is quite easy, its determined by the Spring Saddle on which the Leaf Spring is fitted, thereby aligning the Diff & Pinion Angle. Regards, Arka | |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Hi Biju, For all the IFS, we ask for Uncle, but end up getting Aunty with Balls. Regards, Arka |
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| ![]() [quote=Torque-ative;1762886]Initially I did think Arka was going heavy and too hard on M&M. But honestly he is nothing but pushing them to out-do, out-think and out-perform themselves,..and in the end turning out the ultimate off-roader. ![]() Quote:
Hi Arka, you are truly the best and definitely distinguished. We all want an offroader that we can be confident about and know that it has the fittings and fixtures that make it capable, mean and safe. It does not make sense that we invest a large sum of money to buy the vehicle and again shed a lot more to make it fit the basic requirements of a capable 4X4. | |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Guys don't kill the possibility of a 4wd Thar even before it sees the light of a single day on Indian roads. Believe me if all this talk reaches the marketing guys at Mahindra you can kiss the 4wd Thar goodbye. Its all nice to want powerful engines and leaf suspension and locking diff and fully floating axles. But it won't happen because the offroaders are too insignificant a market and a car purely meant as a offroader has little value in every other use. So the Thar has to be something which caters to a wider segment. Let the car get released first. Quite understandably the Thar for M&M has to be a car first that will get some volumes for them and then with a ++ kind of approach they offer a 4wd. Which means a Thar with 4x4 and MLD and perhaps FFRA. Last edited by DKG : 4th March 2010 at 14:42. |
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