Mahindra Thar revealed at Autoexpo 2010

Jaggu · 27th January 2010, 23:36

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Originally Posted by Samurai

Both tyres on the axle will turn at the same speed whether there is traction or not. If you don't know when to use it, you will the break the axle in no time. In that way, it is as unforgiving as you know who.

I think its slightly different, if what i heard is correct, diff of rpm between wheels and diff locks. Also after certain speed it will act like normal diff.

Samurai · 28th January 2010, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

I think its slightly different, if what i heard is correct, diff of rpm between wheels and diff locks. Also after certain speed it will act like normal diff.

You mean it is not like the Gurkha diff lock? That means it is another kind of LSD.

Jaggu · 28th January 2010, 10:24

Yes samurai thats what i have been informed. The question came how it will work in a desert dune kind of situation, where the speed might be higher and it might not engage?

Too early to speculate since concrete info is not available and its early stage, what all will be offered. The other possible option was to do a dealer swap of complete axle which really didnt make sense to me.

- It will be costly
- Will land up with an absolutely New but useless axle unit, since its not even a fast moving replacement part

khan_sultan · 28th January 2010, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

I think its slightly different, if what i heard is correct, diff of rpm between wheels and diff locks. Also after certain speed it will act like normal diff.

It's "Mecahnical Locking Device". IIRC, DB mentioned that M&M are moving away from LSD for strategic reasons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai

You mean it is not like the Gurkha diff lock? That means it is another kind of LSD.

No human intervention required for engaging this. Will work ONLY till speeds of 20 kmph.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaggu

... The other possible option was to do a dealer swap of complete axle which really didnt make sense to me.

- It will be costly
- Will land up with an absolutely New but useless axle unit, since its not even a fast moving replacement part

That's the ONLY option to have MLD -- FULL axle swap and you land up with an extra axle. Remember, DB mentioned that stock THAR will NOT have MLD.

4x4addict · 28th January 2010, 13:21

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Originally Posted by headers

Things that disappointed me:
1. 4wd manual lever in the wrong side - Reason: Prototype

3. PRICE Unknown : So can we have a guess then

So my target costing is under 7L on road.

The 4x4 Lever is on the wrong side only for people who drive on the wrong side of the road (i.e Europeans/Americans) For the RHD version it will on the driver side.

I too feel it will be atleast 7 Lakhs on the road. If they want to give something more affordable, just take the existing NCGS MM550 XDB and put in the CRDe engine.

AltoHoncho · 28th January 2010, 13:41

I am totally smitten by this OTR thing and have been constantly engrossed reading amazing posts by all of you guys in technical sections also.

IMO Talking about Thar, its diesel powerplant is a true differentiator when compared to Gypsy and the likes which costs near about same as the base variant of Thar (assuming the current talks mentioned here)... but any inputs on how well positioned technically it'll be excluding price when compared to Gurkha.

Please donot involve PRICE discussion because thats where the Gurkha will loose the ground, but more from a capability perspective and technicals will be required.

n.devdath · 28th January 2010, 17:10

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Originally Posted by 4x4addict

I too feel it will be atleast 7 Lakhs on the road. If they want to give something more affordable, just take the existing NCGS MM550 XDB and put in the CRDe engine.

Though it is a good option, the current platform has much more than what this would have offered hence the route taken by M&M. Yes, it may turn out to be a bit expensive though.

Jaggu · 28th January 2010, 21:48

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Originally Posted by khan_sultan

That's the ONLY option to have MLD -- FULL axle swap and you land up with an extra axle. Remember, DB mentioned that stock THAR will NOT have MLD.

NOT is not yet confirmed! actually nothing is confirmed as of now, especially regarding the rear axle

GrayBerry · 29th January 2010, 00:46

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Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

Dear Sharath and all - my reply to your --------about, isn't it?

My final comment - Fazalbhai has driven it. Fazalbhai, thanks for waiting patiently all these months, you may please give your comments now.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

MAHINDRA THAR - "GO ANYWHERE".

Mr. Fazalbhai --- Can we know your comments?? If you have posted elsewhere, can you reply with the link please?
Thank you,

fazalaliadil · 29th January 2010, 16:21

Dear All,
Please move to the test drive related replies on the new thread as i do not want to go off topic on this thread.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post1705765
Regards,

fiery enzyme · 30th January 2010, 02:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaggu

I think its slightly different, if what i heard is correct, diff of rpm between wheels and diff locks. Also after certain speed it will act like normal diff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai

You mean it is not like the Gurkha diff lock? That means it is another kind of LSD.

Quote:

Originally Posted by khan_sultan

It's "Mecahnical Locking Device". IIRC, DB mentioned that M&M are moving away from LSD for strategic reasons.

No human intervention required for engaging this. Will work ONLY till speeds of 20 kmph.

That's the ONLY option to have MLD -- FULL axle swap and you land up with an extra axle. Remember, DB mentioned that stock THAR will NOT have MLD.

So it is a torque sensing dog clutch type locker similar to what Arka has? So it is a proper locker then?

offroad_maniac · 31st January 2010, 02:56

Some info regarding Thar Hard Top version's lauch in Europian market this link. sadly, no pics or reviews.

karizma9292 · 31st January 2010, 10:43

I like the yoko MTs and the rims , the fenders look very plasticky , but it will be great to see this on Indian roads.

offroad_maniac · 31st January 2010, 13:14

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Originally Posted by offroad_maniac

Some info regarding Thar Hard Top version's lauch in Europian market this link. sadly, no pics or reviews.

Here is how it looks. Pretty Decent.
It retails @
7700 EUR=11,32,437.6200 INR . What can we expect here in India???

(Source: Some Italian sites as found over google)

Notice the sunroof

From the back:

Sankar · 31st January 2010, 13:28

That hardtop looks very good! If made available here it would make a good solution for those who need a classy HT for their MM540/550. Any idea which company makes it?

28th January 2010, 10:24	#633
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,904 Times	Yes samurai thats what i have been informed. The question came how it will work in a desert dune kind of situation, where the speed might be higher and it might not engage? Too early to speculate since concrete info is not available and its early stage, what all will be offered. The other possible option was to do a dealer swap of complete axle which really didnt make sense to me. - It will be costly - Will land up with an absolutely New but useless axle unit, since its not even a fast moving replacement part Last edited by Jaggu : 28th January 2010 at 10:26.
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28th January 2010, 13:41	#636
AltoHoncho BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 581 Thanked: 14 Times View My Garage	I am totally smitten by this OTR thing and have been constantly engrossed reading amazing posts by all of you guys in technical sections also. IMO Talking about Thar, its diesel powerplant is a true differentiator when compared to Gypsy and the likes which costs near about same as the base variant of Thar (assuming the current talks mentioned here)... but any inputs on how well positioned technically it'll be excluding price when compared to Gurkha. Please donot involve PRICE discussion because thats where the Gurkha will loose the ground, but more from a capability perspective and technicals will be required.
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29th January 2010, 16:21	#640
fazalaliadil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,022 Thanked: 672 Times View My Garage	Dear All, Please move to the test drive related replies on the new thread as i do not want to go off topic on this thread. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post1705765 Regards,
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31st January 2010, 02:56	#642
offroad_maniac BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Thane-Mumbai Posts: 492 Thanked: 154 Times	Some info regarding Thar Hard Top version's lauch in Europian market this link. sadly, no pics or reviews.
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31st January 2010, 10:43	#643
karizma9292 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 470 Thanked: 227 Times View My Garage	I like the yoko MTs and the rims , the fenders look very plasticky , but it will be great to see this on Indian roads.
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31st January 2010, 13:28	#645
Sankar Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Location Posts: 5,766 Thanked: 9,053 Times	That hardtop looks very good! If made available here it would make a good solution for those who need a classy HT for their MM540/550. Any idea which company makes it?
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