Got Jeep! CJ3B Hurricane.

Jaggu · 24th January 2011, 18:01

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

I thought coil spring are the new type?? coming in most of the new cars?

Small correction i was confused, i have diaphragm type clutch in DwArF and hence confused the springs on the clutch plate to coil spring type

svsantosh · 24th January 2011, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

Small correction i was confused, i have diaphragm type clutch in DwArF and hence confused the springs on the clutch plate to coil spring type

Nooo, you are still confused!

What you have is coil spring AKA Finger type clutch. At least the Loading/pressure plate. I cant see what is inside, may be the latest friction plate.

See here

Good for you the power of the canne' is too good to overcome the shortcomings of a coil spring. Leave it as long as it works, when it goes bust, spend 4.5K for the complete kit.

PS - If the old type will fit the cane's flywheel, the new one SHOULD fit too, sounds elementary, but still lets say 99.9% it is compatible. When you are ready to change, double check with gurus then.

Jaggu · 24th January 2011, 23:14

I think its the clutch cover that is old and you are referring to, the inside stuff is new design (remember Raju also mentioning this). Anyways i have not inspected it closely, will do and confirm next time i visit the garage.

svsantosh · 25th January 2011, 07:57

Yes, the inside is mostly new coz no one (difficult to get old) sells the old type anymore. The new ones are available from as late as early 90s, so in all probability in the last 20 years surely someone would have put the new one inside, but didnt bother with the cover plate.

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 25th January 2011, 09:29

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

Arre baba which one do you suggest then, something which i can ask for in the counter (vehicle model/make)? Yes payload is not at all important. Max i will carry a passenger + 60 kg. I think the old shockies were 7.44"

Jaggu bhai, as a thumb rule for getting a good ride it is better to have a Softer spring with a Sprung mass natural frequency of 1 Hz. The suspension damper must have a low value of damping coefficient during compression and extension stroke (there is a relation between the jounce and rebound strokes too).

Don't get muddled by the fundas mentioned above (that was for academic info only), I'm compiling the data and will give you shortly.

Spike

fazalaliadil · 25th January 2011, 10:14

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

@All: if you have access to the travel info of shocks, please share would be great.

Like to go for ones with decent articulation and ride. Gas or not.

Jaggu,

Recently, after installing the Jannaiah springs on my (wip) CJ340, changed the shocks to 'Bolero rear shocks, Gabriel', part no. S700186. Costing Rs.397.50 each.

Going by my experience on two 540's, these shock are rugged and have a longer travel. Munroe gas would translate into softer ride, but I have my apprehensions reg. their durability in off roading, the 340 is being readied mainly for this purpose.

Spike, would be able to pin point the ones I am talking about.

Regards,

Jaggu · 25th January 2011, 11:40

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Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

I'm compiling the data and will give you shortly.

many thanks spike will wait for your reply.

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

Jaggu,

Recently, after installing the Jannaiah springs on my (wip) CJ340, changed the shocks to 'Bolero rear shocks, Gabriel', part no. S700186. Costing Rs.397.50 each.

Thanks Fazal saab will check on this. Price also seems to be reasonable.

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 25th January 2011, 12:37

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

Spike, would be able to pin point the ones I am talking about.

Fazal Saab, you are right. The part number mentioned by you is a Gabriel part no., these shocks have longest travel among the lot (8.24") with good damping rates and are easily available.

@Jaggu, will let you know by evening, not getting time

.

Spike

svsantosh · 25th January 2011, 12:55

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

'Bolero rear shocks, Gabriel', part no. S700186. Costing Rs.397.50 each

Fazal sir, since spike has aye'd this part#, can you provide us all another input also? Can you do a ramp test to the point of tipping over (1 wheel in air) and measure the fully extended and fully compressed (Eye-to-Eye) measurements?

The Wolf · 25th January 2011, 13:23

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

Jaggu,
Gabriel'[/i], part no. S700186. Costing Rs.397.50 each.

Going by my experience on two 540's, these shock are rugged and have a longer travel.
Regards,

How would you rate these on MM540s with standard leaf spring setup and calibration?? I would like to soften the 'thudd' behavior of my MM540s suspension on undulated roads or pot holes at slightly higher speeds. ANy recommendation would be highly appreciated.

fazalaliadil · 25th January 2011, 15:40

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Originally Posted by svsantosh

Fazal sir, since spike has aye'd this part#, can you provide us all another input also? Can you do a ramp test to the point of tipping over (1 wheel in air) and measure the fully extended and fully compressed (Eye-to-Eye) measurements?

Santosh,
WIP is the status of my 340 as of now but will do it and try and give you the measurements without tipping over, asap.

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Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

Fazal Saab, you are right. The part number mentioned by you is a Gabriel part no., these shocks have longest travel among the lot (8.24") with good damping rates and are easily available.
Spike

Spike,
Thanks, I feel relieved as there was a small doubt in my mind about its reach. The dampening is pronounced though.

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

How would you rate these on MM540s with standard leaf spring setup and calibration?? I would like to soften the 'thudd' behavior of my MM540s suspension on undulated roads or pot holes at slightly higher speeds. ANy recommendation would be highly appreciated.

Wolf,
They should do better than 540 shocks on the standard set up, but only changing shocks without spring job may not get you the desired results.

Get your springs moped if they have not been since long. These shocks had been fitted on 540's and performed the best, hence the recommendation.
Regards,

Jaggu · 25th January 2011, 21:51

Ok came across some info regarding the various shocks available, thought would share here for you guys.

Got Jeep! CJ3B Hurricane.-shock-absorber-info.jpg

svsantosh · 25th January 2011, 22:55

The part#s are OE/M&M #s right? Is the 1st one same as Fazal's part#.

Jaggu · 25th January 2011, 23:04

I think Fazal's is SA 0403BA0221N?? but this is the one which is apt for CJ's, will work all around. Anyways we can confirm at Aavalaconda not to worry

trammway · 26th January 2011, 00:12

I have a doubt, including me I have seen some of my friends also often opt to go for longer travelling shock absorber for their Jeeps claiming a better articulation. But I feel or I have a scary feeling if selecting a much longer traveling shock absorber may contribute to body roll or topple of the vehicle in an OTR environment.

I'm sure like mods like Janaiah's spring plate configuration needs little longer shock absorber to enable the spring plate's action on a articulation scenario. Question is how to choose the right shock absorber traveling distance keeping the requirement and body roll probabilities in mind ?

In the chart above I could see the original CJ3B's size as mentioned was 6.46" or 6.89", how about straight against this number with 8.24" Bolero one?

Does anyone know what is the standard SA with Mahindra Classic?

24th January 2011, 23:14	#408
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,906 Times	Re: Got Jeep! CJ3B Hurricane. I think its the clutch cover that is old and you are referring to, the inside stuff is new design (remember Raju also mentioning this). Anyways i have not inspected it closely, will do and confirm next time i visit the garage.
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svsantosh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 3,996 Thanked: 6,289 Times View My Garage	Re: Got Jeep! CJ3B Hurricane. Yes, the inside is mostly new coz no one (difficult to get old) sells the old type anymore. The new ones are available from as late as early 90s, so in all probability in the last 20 years surely someone would have put the new one inside, but didnt bother with the cover plate. Last edited by svsantosh : 25th January 2011 at 07:59.
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25th January 2011, 21:51	#417
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,906 Times	Re: Got Jeep! CJ3B Hurricane. Ok came across some info regarding the various shocks available, thought would share here for you guys.
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25th January 2011, 22:55	#418
svsantosh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 3,996 Thanked: 6,289 Times View My Garage	Re: Got Jeep! CJ3B Hurricane. The part#s are OE/M&M #s right? Is the 1st one same as Fazal's part#.
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25th January 2011, 23:04	#419
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,906 Times	Re: Got Jeep! CJ3B Hurricane. I think Fazal's is SA 0403BA0221N?? but this is the one which is apt for CJ's, will work all around. Anyways we can confirm at Aavalaconda not to worry
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26th January 2011, 00:12	#420
trammway Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bridgewater USA Posts: 1,150 Thanked: 475 Times View My Garage	Re: Got Jeep! CJ3B Hurricane. I have a doubt, including me I have seen some of my friends also often opt to go for longer travelling shock absorber for their Jeeps claiming a better articulation. But I feel or I have a scary feeling if selecting a much longer traveling shock absorber may contribute to body roll or topple of the vehicle in an OTR environment. I'm sure like mods like Janaiah's spring plate configuration needs little longer shock absorber to enable the spring plate's action on a articulation scenario. Question is how to choose the right shock absorber traveling distance keeping the requirement and body roll probabilities in mind ? In the chart above I could see the original CJ3B's size as mentioned was 6.46" or 6.89", how about straight against this number with 8.24" Bolero one? Does anyone know what is the standard SA with Mahindra Classic?
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