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Old 24th March 2011, 21:32   #181
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Fazal Saab, worst case you do not get the original wedges for your vehicle just let me know, will tell you how to go about it. It is a bit tricky part but can be machined easily to the required dimensions. The relative positioning of the taper, the slot and the holes is the key.

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Old 25th March 2011, 10:03   #182
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Fazal Saab, worst case you do not get the original wedges for your vehicle just let me know,
Spike,
please confirm if these wedges conform to original specs.

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If you want to use XD series engine in a CL series chassis layout, you must incline the powertrain by 6 degrees in North South direction. If this is not done, you will break the sump because the front axle will hit it.

Please obtain the wedges and use them.[/i


Please do not try If clutch ratio is not correct, you will get all sorts of problems and this will make you go round in circles trying to figure out what happened.
Sir Behram,
As pointed out by Arka and you, the cross member needs to incline backwards, and the spike arrestor is missing.

Also Arka rightly noticed that the present cross member on the 340 is a 2WD's is flat and not inclined.

I started my shopping early yesterday just after your mail and after a dozen rejections finalized on this cross member that has an inclined angle and a spike arrestor bracket, cleanest on I could find.

These beds were not available with spare dealers (new or old), scrap yards, mechanics, all had flat beds or the thinner type or fabricated. By mid day all Hyderabad knew what I was looking for, by evening I got a call about its availability and paid Rs. 100 for it. Hope it is the correct one.

I will attach pics. of the clutch line a little later.

What a learning Experience.
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GB cross member with spike arrestor bracket.
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Angled/ inclined cross member.

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Spike,
please confirm if these wedges conform to original specs.
The wedge / spacer shown in pics seems original. Where is the second small wedge (top / bottom) ? This one:-

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...5032011079.jpg

Do share position of slot, cavity & hole from any of the datum surfaces / edges. The slot is 11 x 19 mm, cavity is 35 x 28 mm, hole is 10 mm dia, please confirm.

I hope you are aware of the installation procedure, for more details refer

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post2279534


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PS- Please remove the scale / sludge before installation.
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Where is the second small wedge (top / bottom) ? This one:-

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Spike,
No one told me about that????
Will get it tomorrow.
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Spike,
I missed the thinner wedge. This I will do tomorrow, as in diagram.
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While mechanicals continue, getting the other stuff ready.
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A quick update,

The chassis went in for a complete swap. I was not happy with the welds and too many holes drilled in it. It was not up to my structural comfort. The earlier chassis was not only bent but also corroded, which didn't reflect much in the drive behavior.

Until today, I myself was skeptical, should I shouldn't I? as it would unnecessary shoot up the project cost. Many also asked me why??
It was a instinctive decision which paid off.

Today dismounted the whole engine with the GB and front and rear axles attached with the springs and put it on a CJ 4A, chassis which is longer by 4" in the front from grille to front fender, ( the only difference from a 340 or 3B chassis). Decided on this longer one for the winch, as it will not choke the air intake to the radiator.

Also, as I was up to it went in for side chassis beds for the rear springs, for better stability and anti-body roll. Resulting in an impressive 4" outer side gain, each side.

Proir to this I have been running the Jeep around with no problems but blasting heat and noise from an open central fire wall and gear box floor panel. But they say its a Jeep thing, and I did it.

Arka kick started an idea...
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and I am paying for it. For every thing I call him up..HELP, (that's how he is paying).

Sir Behram and Spike are great help in references of engine mounts and what not else.

I am getting there and enjoying this build like no other.

Tomorrow the engine will be back in its place with the GB, and yes also rectifying the previous mounting errors.
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Chassis on.
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Engine out.
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Notice the width gain. Some of you may not be happy with this idea but it will work.
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The earlier one, notice the bends.
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The rot underneath, which could result in the worst off road disaster on T-BHP.
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Woaah Fazal saab that was super quick swap but a wise decision, chassis was really eaten up, atleast seems so from the pictures you posted.
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Fazal Sir,
Will the new chassis demand a different engine mount position? Also now do you have to change the tyre profile? ( Sorry for these newbie questions)
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Fazal Sir,
Will the new chassis demand a different engine mount position? Also now do you have to change the tyre profile? ( Sorry for these newbie questions)
Dr. Madhu,

The engine mount position will be the same as on a CJ/CL 340, or rather what it should be. Last time (ignorance is bliss) I went ahead without the 6.5 degeree beds under the transmission crossmember and welded the engine mounts to the chassis, my chance for correction of previous maistakes to get the best results is now.

Learning was never such fun, wish they would teach us this in school.

Wheels: 15", 8.5J, 3" -offset.
Tyres: 235-75-R15

Dr. they are not newbie but oldbie (good) questions.
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Woaah Fazal saab that was super quick swap but a wise decision, chassis was really eaten up, atleast seems so from the pictures you posted.
Thanks Jaggu,
Yes, it was a chance decision more than a wise one. It is worst eroded on the steering column side, in pic.

The swap was quick, but the hunt for the chassis and getting it ready took a full week.
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A quick update,

Today dismounted the whole engine with the GB and front and rear axles attached with the springs and put it on a CJ 4A, chassis which is longer by 4" in the front from grille to front fender, ( the only difference from a 340 or 3B chassis). Decided on this longer one for the winch, as it will not choke the air intake to the radiator.
Fazal Sir,

IIRC CJ4A was a 90 inch wheelbase jeep where as a CJ3B / 340 are 80 inch. Have you cut the 4A chassis to match it to 80 WB ?
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Fazal sir,
i see that you are using plastic/aluminum core radiator (bolero type), why not regular one?

any advantages of this swap?

rgds,
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i too was offered a aluminum radiator yesterday when i went to flush my radiator to remove the oil in it.
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fazal saab,
best wishes for your project - pls dont make us wait for long.
you are using the mahindra maxx pickup radiator, tata toyo brand.
what is the cost of the radiator ? is it an absolute fit or do we need to do any alterations for fitting ? what are the differences you noted after this new radiator fitting ? what's the temperature change ? any disadvantages ?
what is the best fan for the jeep ? how many leaves in the fan ? pls guide on this aspect with more clarity.
best regards.

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IIRC CJ4A was a 90 inch wheelbase jeep where as a CJ3B / 340 are 80 inch. Have you cut the 4A chassis to match it to 80 WB ?
Sabareesh,
The below last sketch will give you dimensions of my previous and present chassis. The red in the front is where the 4" extra is, rest all is 3B/340 dimensions. Enlighten me which chassis is this then.
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i see that you are using plastic/aluminum core radiator (bolero type), why not regular one?
any advantages of this swap?
Nikhil,
The earlier one was a regular petrol radiator. Now with the XDP3, I felt this one would be insufficent for liquid cooling and at the same time I couldn't use a bigger radiator due to space constraints in the engine bay.

It was a logical choice to go for this one,
1. If it can cool a load carrier Maxx, then it should suffice for a lighter 340.
2.Reconditioning the earlier 3 core would cost me the same as a brand new TATA Toyo, 4 core, hence the switch.
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fazal saab,
best wishes for your project - pls dont make us wait for long.
you are using the mahindra maxx pickup radiator, tata toyo brand.
what is the cost of the radiator ? is it an absolute fit or do we need to do any alterations for fitting ? what are the differences you noted after this new radiator fitting ? what's the temperature change ? any disadvantages ?
what is the best fan for the jeep ? how many leaves in the fan ? pls guide on this aspect with more clarity.
best regards.
Shekaran,
Thank you.
I don't want myself to wait for longer than I have, as getting this Jeep to its optimum 4X4 best I had to rework on many things for the second time, namely...engine, chassis, mechanic, procedures etc. Like building two Jeeps.
The radiator and why I used it is mentioned above, yes, it is a direct fit.
Costs Rs.2800.

I actually fired the engine with the new radiator, so I cannot compare between the two. I am using coolant and surely the present one would be better than the older as it is 4 core plus the triangular vents seem more better for air to pass through.

After the engine overhaul it must have done 150 kms the temp. hovers around 80-85, in city traffic. It should get cooler as the engine runs to about 1000kms.

Disadvantages, none.

I am using the stock Bolero fan, one which came with the engine.

Regards,

Finally, this time the 6.5 degree wedge
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got me this required inclination.
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The side spring beds in position with tack welding and bolts.
Note: the shocks need to go on the inside of the springs. During articulation this set up needs to be tested and I plan to use 3" neg. off set rims either way.
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Previous position of the U bolts (red lines)
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Engine was mounted on original Bolero mounts and engine bracket, it automatically took care of the drive line alignment. Thanks, Sir Behram (for the tip).
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Simple drawings done by me for fine tuned installation of engine, GB...based on advice and help from (Thanks) Spike and actual measurements/ refrence points on Classis (CL-340)
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Previous and present chassis dimensions.
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