CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ??

fazalaliadil · 10th August 2010, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeepMkd

I was on a vacation so now I see how much I've missed. It's great to see that you are making progress.

Hi JeepMkd,

That was a long vacation!

Not much has progressed on this project, due to various reasons or it would be out by now for on and off road tests, much before undergoing the cosmetic transformation.

Since you chopped off the oil sump to accommodate the front PS, how much did you lose in terms of oil capacity? I too will need to do the same as predicted by you, but plan to compensate the chop-loss. Or as Arka suggested a 540 oil pan could be the next alternative if it is compilable.

The KMT-90 GB was a direct fit except for the mismatch of the clutch/ pressure plate fastener holes...which was easily solved by new threaded holes in the pressure plate to suit the holes of the clutch plate.

How is your XD2 doing with the KMT-90?

Arka, Spike,

Please advice, which hand brake cables for this GB, KMT-90 (in pic.) and the 550 rear diffs. so that they dont hang about on the SWB 3B.

Regards,

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JeepMkd · 11th August 2010, 14:23

The only trouble (if it could be called like that) was actually fitting the starter. As I presume, the Peugeot engine has a 220mm or 230mm wide clutch disc as opposed to the 240mm the Ford has. Therefore, the bell housing is slightly tighter and new holes (2 in total) were drilled and threaded to distance the starter off the engine block.

As of now (and it has been 12-13 years) there was no need to compensate for the oil loss caused by chopping the sump. The oil pressure is always constant, but if you feel unsure and if you can find a proper sump do the conversion. My dad chopped it because you already know that there is no way to find a Mahindra sump over here.

I'll finish the write up in my thread when I'll get pictures... the only thing I'm missing is a camera because I managed to lose mine.

fazalaliadil · 13th March 2011, 08:41

Dear All,
The XD2 was doing fine and was torquer on road but there was excessive engine noise that dampned all other sounds.
In short had to change that one and replace it with a XD3P (wip) photographs attached.
Also in all probability will fit an AC here, just a bit later.
Earlier all general work, GB, suspension etc. were completed.
Will update on Monday.
Request the moderators: To change the CJ 3B in the title of this thread to CJ 340.
Regards,

Machined block.

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Rotating while tightening.

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Rotating flywheel during...

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tightening of big ends.

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Thats my son familiarizing himself

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and contributing.

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Alternator serviced and ready for disc brakes.

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Starter serviced.

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svsantosh · 13th March 2011, 09:02

Fazal sir,

- your attention to detail on the paint on the engine shows what this is going to be. You didnt get a chance to share these detailed WIP pics on the white/orange/brown beauties, thanks for this thread.

A few questions.

1) You say this is a CJ340, did the 'door' to access the engine head from REAR come standard? I dont think so... looks like a AFM job, right?

2) But since it is there, gives me ideas to make one for myself, would come in handy while getting a 'oil-cooler' fit

ask Arka, you may need one...

fazalaliadil · 14th March 2011, 06:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by svsantosh

1) You say this is a CJ340, did the 'door' to access the engine head from REAR come standard? I dont think so... looks like a AFM job, right?

2) But since it is there, gives me ideas to make one for myself, would come in handy while getting a 'oil-cooler' fit ask Arka, you may need one...

Hi Santosh,
I am fitting the oil cooler from the XD2 on this engine.
Arka Sir, has been my main reference source.
I don't think the rear access door was stock, but it was there when I bought this Jeep.
Regards,

fazalaliadil · 14th March 2011, 19:40

The plan is to start the fully overhauled engine tomorrow.

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fazalaliadil · 15th March 2011, 13:37

Fired the engine today.

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mashmash · 15th March 2011, 15:37

Congratulations... How many more tasks remain? AC, 4x4, body condition?

What is the weight difference between this engine and the original one? Does it cause any inconvenience or has it been taken care of?

Following this thread closely.

Regards,
MaSh

svpatra · 15th March 2011, 17:38

Its great to see the engine ignited. You have achieved the biggest milestone. As you have already mentioned that it’s a super silent engine, please share us the Noise and vibration level with compare t other Indian version XDPs.
Thanks
Srinivas

svsantosh · 15th March 2011, 22:23

OT - superb representation of saying 'engine running' with a PHOTO than a Video - only you can manage it (1st of course, now every one else will follow)

Jaggu · 15th March 2011, 22:38

Nice to see a fully rebuilt engine with some detailing also

Can't wait to see the progress. Am always envious with hyderabad jeepers, you guys have so much of passion and so many options with mechs in one place!

madhkris · 16th March 2011, 06:51

Fazal Sir,
All your threads are a treat to read and your rebuilds are done with passion. Thanks for sharing with us here. Its great for new jeepers like me. Waiting for more pics and details. Thank you.

fazalaliadil · 16th March 2011, 06:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaggu

you guys have so much of passion and so many options with mechs in one place!

Jaggu,
Lets say we are just lucky to still have the Jeep mechanics, denters painters and guys who still know their job and don't treat a Jeep like a car. It is the passion that has fueled employment and kept the expertise in continuation for the men behind the scenes and us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by svsantosh

OT - superb representation of saying 'engine running' with a PHOTO than a Video

Santosh,
Thank you, I did not realise it until you mentioned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by svpatra

As you have already mentioned that it’s a super silent engine, please share us the Noise and vibration level with compare t other Indian version XDPs.
Thanks
Srinivas

Srinivas,
Sad part is that XD2 is meanwhile kept aside as I could not source one part for it, everything else is available. I ran it about a month back, it was smooth as expected and also torquey, it was making a racket, noise due to badly scratched pistons. I could have ignored the noise but couldn't.

I will make it run once I can source the pistons, as everything else has been worked upon it and it is a beautiful engine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mashmash

Congratulations... How many more tasks remain? AC, 4x4, body condition?
What is the weight difference between this engine and the original one? Does it cause any inconvenience or has it been taken care of?
MaSh

Mashmash,
The AC needs to be done after I get this thing going to my satisfaction.

I have not checked the weight difference between the two but it should hardly be much as the sizes are the same. They both fit on the same foundation brackets like a glove.

Body is in good condition but the paint and other cosmetic surgery will have to wait until I do up all the mechanicals first.

However, yesterday after cranking for about 10 seconds we put it off, until we connected the water lines, air cleaner etc. ran it again for about 30 minutes and there is diesel dripping from the pump and oil from the timing cover oil seal which was brand new, but had to open it. Also got the pump checked and serviced, new nozzles are going in today as there was erratic, crude running of the engine due to the pump and nozzles.
Regards,

fazalaliadil · 16th March 2011, 21:00

Serviced pump, new nozzles and Arka's valuable advice, the engine did 6 hours and temp did not cross the 80 mark.

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svsantosh · 16th March 2011, 22:49

What brand is the radiator? Is it a jeeps?

11th August 2010, 14:23	#137
JeepMkd BHPian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Republic of MACEDONIA Posts: 86 Thanked: 3 Times	The only trouble (if it could be called like that) was actually fitting the starter. As I presume, the Peugeot engine has a 220mm or 230mm wide clutch disc as opposed to the 240mm the Ford has. Therefore, the bell housing is slightly tighter and new holes (2 in total) were drilled and threaded to distance the starter off the engine block. As of now (and it has been 12-13 years) there was no need to compensate for the oil loss caused by chopping the sump. The oil pressure is always constant, but if you feel unsure and if you can find a proper sump do the conversion. My dad chopped it because you already know that there is no way to find a Mahindra sump over here. I'll finish the write up in my thread when I'll get pictures... the only thing I'm missing is a camera because I managed to lose mine.
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13th March 2011, 08:41	#138
fazalaliadil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,022 Thanked: 671 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Dear All, The XD2 was doing fine and was torquer on road but there was excessive engine noise that dampned all other sounds. In short had to change that one and replace it with a XD3P (wip) photographs attached. Also in all probability will fit an AC here, just a bit later. Earlier all general work, GB, suspension etc. were completed. Will update on Monday. Request the moderators: To change the CJ 3B in the title of this thread to CJ 340. Regards, Machined block. Rotating while tightening. Rotating flywheel during... tightening of big ends. Thats my son familiarizing himself and contributing. Alternator serviced and ready for disc brakes. Starter serviced. Last edited by fazalaliadil : 13th March 2011 at 08:45.
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13th March 2011, 09:02	#139
svsantosh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 3,983 Thanked: 6,161 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Fazal sir, - your attention to detail on the paint on the engine shows what this is going to be. You didnt get a chance to share these detailed WIP pics on the white/orange/brown beauties, thanks for this thread. A few questions. 1) You say this is a CJ340, did the 'door' to access the engine head from REAR come standard? I dont think so... looks like a AFM job, right? 2) But since it is there, gives me ideas to make one for myself, would come in handy while getting a 'oil-cooler' fit ask Arka, you may need one... Last edited by svsantosh : 13th March 2011 at 09:03.
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14th March 2011, 19:40	#141
fazalaliadil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,022 Thanked: 671 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? The plan is to start the fully overhauled engine tomorrow.
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15th March 2011, 13:37	#142
fazalaliadil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,022 Thanked: 671 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Fired the engine today.
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15th March 2011, 15:37	#143
mashmash BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 390 Thanked: 156 Times	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Congratulations... How many more tasks remain? AC, 4x4, body condition? What is the weight difference between this engine and the original one? Does it cause any inconvenience or has it been taken care of? Following this thread closely. Regards, MaSh
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15th March 2011, 17:38	#144
svpatra BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: delhi Posts: 72 Thanked: 11 Times	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Its great to see the engine ignited. You have achieved the biggest milestone. As you have already mentioned that it’s a super silent engine, please share us the Noise and vibration level with compare t other Indian version XDPs. Thanks Srinivas
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15th March 2011, 22:23	#145
svsantosh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 3,983 Thanked: 6,161 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? OT - superb representation of saying 'engine running' with a PHOTO than a Video - only you can manage it (1st of course, now every one else will follow)
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15th March 2011, 22:38	#146
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,212 Thanked: 15,892 Times	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Nice to see a fully rebuilt engine with some detailing also Can't wait to see the progress. Am always envious with hyderabad jeepers, you guys have so much of passion and so many options with mechs in one place!
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16th March 2011, 06:51	#147
madhkris BHPian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Bengalur Posts: 292 Thanked: 83 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Fazal Sir, All your threads are a treat to read and your rebuilds are done with passion. Thanks for sharing with us here. Its great for new jeepers like me. Waiting for more pics and details. Thank you.
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16th March 2011, 21:00	#149
fazalaliadil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,022 Thanked: 671 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Serviced pump, new nozzles and Arka's valuable advice, the engine did 6 hours and temp did not cross the 80 mark.
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16th March 2011, 22:49	#150
svsantosh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 3,983 Thanked: 6,161 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? What brand is the radiator? Is it a jeeps?
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