CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ??

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 27th May 2011, 15:27

^ Jaggu, you are 101% correct! A grommet also has a hole in it, the pics shown by you are plugs / stoppers made of different materials. I agree with this idea of yours, doable!

I don't understand why the confusion exists between a Grommet and a plug, such an elementary stuff.

Spike

maverick56 · 27th May 2011, 19:09

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

Dr. Amar,

Thanks.
The handles on the windshield are there since I bought the Jeep.
Planning grab handles on the roll frame like the DOG.
The Pup, I thought was a Dog, but as it grew up...realized its a cat, and is now rechristened the 'LYNX'.
Regards,

Yep, lynx sounds very apt
feline grace and all that, epitomizes the jeeps u build
couldnt resist adding an african lynx i came across in kenya

jeepster · 27th May 2011, 20:59

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

Reenforcement within and hinge plates.

why a single support channel?
the cj3b type hoods are very flexible so IMO two support channels should be used.

just a suggestion.

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Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

^^ On a stock Chassis, manufacturer provided holes are for a reason.

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Originally Posted by JeepCaptain

Yes your honour Mr.Manufacturer!! We will leave them as it is.

Its so good to have someone from the manufacturer's side in any automotive forum. Thanks Spike for all your contribution to this forum.

i thought spikey is (or was) from our side.

fazalaliadil · 27th May 2011, 21:56

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Originally Posted by maverick56

Yep, lynx sounds very apt
feline grace and all that, epitomizes the jeeps u build
couldnt resist adding an african lynx i came across in kenya

Dr. Amar,
Thanks for contributing the Lynx pic. Lucky you.

Yes, the LYNX..is my inspiration on this build for, its compact and powerful character, size to power ratio, its predatory skills in bursts, the wide paws for grip and traction, its height against a short frame...like a SWB.

Even the colour is planned on similar lines, but like the Canadian Lynx (pic. attached).

Trying to emulate the beauty of nature.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

why a single support channel?
the cj3b type hoods are very flexible so IMO two support channels should be used.

Nikhil,
There are three reinforcements from the inside (red arrows) and one planned from the outside which also doubles up as a cosmetic component.

Also, the flexibility is taken care of once the four ends are clamped in closed position.
Regards,

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getsurya · 30th May 2011, 14:10

Here goes Fazal again! Very cool.

Fazal Bhai, I am sure that this would turn out to be yet another awesome restoration work/project.

Good Luck! Meet you soon in Hyd!

fazalaliadil · 29th June 2011, 16:27

These WIP photographs are a week old. Presently, colour has been done and the 6 point roll cage is under fabrication.

Entire chassis, differentials, engine with GB, tub were disassembled and sand blasted, primed, filler putty, sanded, WURTH sealant, underbody, RAPTOR truck bedliner and GLASSURIT paint, done at New Mars.

Regards,

Primer and filler putty done.

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Filler putty being sanded.

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Wurth underbody sprayed.

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Differentials back on after paint.

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Spring extended outward with side bed mounts.

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DKG · 29th June 2011, 17:16

Fazal the shock mounts don't seem vertically aligned? Maybe if you install the base plate of the springs reverse with the shock pin inward they should line up?

fazalaliadil · 29th June 2011, 18:32

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Originally Posted by DKG

Fazal the shock mounts don't seem vertically aligned? Maybe if you install the base plate of the springs reverse with the shock pin inward they should line up?

Deepak Thanks,

The plates need to be swapped left to right and vice versa, for the pins to be aligned. That is how I had got it from Jannaiah to here with shocks fitted. The mechanic at New Mars did it the standard fitment and corrected it later.
Regards,

svsantosh · 29th June 2011, 19:14

Fazal, Did you get a feedback from Sivakumar (Trammway) on the helper setup on a short chassis? Have you factored that in? You may need to reduce a few leafs all around.

fazalaliadil · 29th June 2011, 19:28

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Originally Posted by svsantosh

Fazal, Did you get a feedback from Sivakumar (Trammway) on the helper setup on a short chassis? Have you factored that in? You may need to reduce a few leafs all around.

Santosh,

The Siva experience made me reduce not one but two leafs from the pack. Now it is soft but I got to test it off road to make sure it isn't too soft.
Only after 300 more kilometers I will be able to do the off road run as the engine hasn't done over 200 kms. after the overhaul.

Will keep you updated.
Regards,

fazalaliadil · 2nd July 2011, 10:29

THE ROLL CAGE ( A la the DOG)

A 3.5mm, 2" HR (hot roll) pipe was chosen over CR (cold roll) for its hardness.

Thanks to Prabhu, New Mars...the man behind the entire make over of this project who made it possible to get this job done at his friend, Raji Reddy's fabrication unit, which primarily fabricates Wind Mills.

Mr. Reddy, a wizard took no time in understanding the design of the roll cage in photographs and transformed the images into form. He was personally involved in each and every part of th progress till completion, it was due to him that this beautiful roll weighing about 40 kgs. cage took form.

Regards,

The bending,

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and checking (Prabhu on right)

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4mm ms plates, (notice, RAPTOR bedliner under the plates)

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Turned and threaded into perfection,

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to fit into pipe.

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NOTCHING all ends for that perfect fit.

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The product. A six pointer.

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In profile.

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The X design over the front passenger and driver seat was changed for lack of head room, due to full sized seats.

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Removed for,

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final welds.

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NDMS vs TREPADOR

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The scrapped tyre bracket.

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V-16 · 2nd July 2011, 14:15

Excellent RC Fazalbhai. Was just waiting for these pics.

Im a little confused about the front two points. Could you kindly elaborate that set up please? Is that where the front RC ends (on the dash) or does it further continue unseen down to the floor? Is it good enough in case of a roll? Will it not tend to snap out or even rip the mount if the pressure is extensive?
Please give close up and also explain as it really looks drool worthy.

fazalaliadil · 2nd July 2011, 16:09

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Originally Posted by V-16

Excellent RC Fazalbhai. Was just waiting for these pics.

Im a little confused about the front two points. Could you kindly elaborate that set up please? Is that where the front RC ends (on the dash) or does it further continue unseen down to the floor? Is it good enough in case of a roll? Will it not tend to snap out or even rip the mount if the pressure is extensive?
Please give close up and also explain as it really looks drool worthy.

Gogi Bhai,

The two front ends are fastened on the dash, supported by two solidly fabricated 4mm brackets.

The dash and the whole body is in 16 guage CR, good enough to not let the brackets rip off.

In case of a roll over the load/ stress would be randomly distributed on the 6 points of the roll cage, not knowing which would take the worst hit. But your apprehensions are justified as these two, I too fell are most vulnerable of the six.

I had no choice but to go with this (DOG design) as the CJ340 does not have the leg room to accommodate the pipes till the floor. You can incorporate it in your 550 and pray I don't roll over on the front two points.
Regards,

EDIT: Prabhu is the guy who did the Hyderabad Rubicon in his body own shop, with Arun, Nazim and Ravvenddrra, all T-BHPians..

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The bush threaded inserted inside the pipe is the same one in the previous post.

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Jaggu · 2nd July 2011, 16:40

Been away from the threads for sometime and what a surprise when i return. Super Fazal saab and love the shade. Exactly what i want in DwArF when he goes in for some cosmetics

Reg Roll cage, is there any way to reenforce the dash point from behind? That should give some additional strength??

ex670c · 2nd July 2011, 17:01

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

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Hi Fazal,

Please run the A-Pillar Roll Bars Right Through the floor and also connect them across the dash board to for a "H".

Don't you think the bracket on the dash board will injure the knee/shim and will come off in a roll over and maim the occupant.

PLEASE FOLLOW A TRIED AND TESTED DESIGN, THE INTERNET IS FULL OF THEM.

Regards,

Arka

27th May 2011, 15:27	#241
SPIKE ARRESTOR Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,854 Thanked: 1,532 Times	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? ^ Jaggu, you are 101% correct! A grommet also has a hole in it, the pics shown by you are plugs / stoppers made of different materials. I agree with this idea of yours, doable! I don't understand why the confusion exists between a Grommet and a plug, such an elementary stuff. Spike
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getsurya Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 1,641 Thanked: 1,929 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Here goes Fazal again! Very cool. Fazal Bhai, I am sure that this would turn out to be yet another awesome restoration work/project. Good Luck! Meet you soon in Hyd!
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fazalaliadil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,022 Thanked: 672 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? These WIP photographs are a week old. Presently, colour has been done and the 6 point roll cage is under fabrication. Entire chassis, differentials, engine with GB, tub were disassembled and sand blasted, primed, filler putty, sanded, WURTH sealant, underbody, RAPTOR truck bedliner and GLASSURIT paint, done at New Mars. Regards, Primer and filler putty done. Filler putty being sanded. Wurth underbody sprayed. Differentials back on after paint. Spring extended outward with side bed mounts. Last edited by fazalaliadil : 29th June 2011 at 16:40.
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DKG Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 3,711 Thanked: 1,389 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Fazal the shock mounts don't seem vertically aligned? Maybe if you install the base plate of the springs reverse with the shock pin inward they should line up? Last edited by DKG : 29th June 2011 at 17:17.
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29th June 2011, 19:14	#249
svsantosh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 4,005 Thanked: 6,326 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Fazal, Did you get a feedback from Sivakumar (Trammway) on the helper setup on a short chassis? Have you factored that in? You may need to reduce a few leafs all around.
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2nd July 2011, 10:29	#251
fazalaliadil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,022 Thanked: 672 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? THE ROLL CAGE ( A la the DOG) A 3.5mm, 2" HR (hot roll) pipe was chosen over CR (cold roll) for its hardness. Thanks to Prabhu, New Mars...the man behind the entire make over of this project who made it possible to get this job done at his friend, Raji Reddy's fabrication unit, which primarily fabricates Wind Mills. Mr. Reddy, a wizard took no time in understanding the design of the roll cage in photographs and transformed the images into form. He was personally involved in each and every part of th progress till completion, it was due to him that this beautiful roll weighing about 40 kgs. cage took form. Regards, The bending, and checking (Prabhu on right) 4mm ms plates, (notice, RAPTOR bedliner under the plates) Turned and threaded into perfection, to fit into pipe. NOTCHING all ends for that perfect fit. The product. A six pointer. In profile. The X design over the front passenger and driver seat was changed for lack of head room, due to full sized seats. Removed for, final welds. NDMS vs TREPADOR The scrapped tyre bracket. Last edited by fazalaliadil : 2nd July 2011 at 10:33.
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V-16 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 4,594 Thanked: 950 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Excellent RC Fazalbhai. Was just waiting for these pics. Im a little confused about the front two points. Could you kindly elaborate that set up please? Is that where the front RC ends (on the dash) or does it further continue unseen down to the floor? Is it good enough in case of a roll? Will it not tend to snap out or even rip the mount if the pressure is extensive? Please give close up and also explain as it really looks drool worthy.
	(1) Thanks

2nd July 2011, 16:40	#254
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,907 Times	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Been away from the threads for sometime and what a surprise when i return. Super Fazal saab and love the shade. Exactly what i want in DwArF when he goes in for some cosmetics Reg Roll cage, is there any way to reenforce the dash point from behind? That should give some additional strength??
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