[lordofgondor]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Nope, from what I could infer, from now on if you want to buy a 4x4 Safari, be prepared to shell out big money for the VX version.

I really pray that this doesn't happen! The website still lists 4x4 available in EX and above. I'd a word with a TML dealer in Noida and was told that EX 4x4 is available, though it's been over a month now since that conversation.

OT: Did you get any info on the new Safari?

EDIT: But I guess it's confirmed for Scorpio. 4x4 only available with VLX as per the website.

[mercedised]

As per me, the 4x4 sales might not be satisfying enough so that the manufacturers could offer them on a lower model. And most of the customers who go for a Safari LX donot even think of buying a 4x4 and even if it is offered on demand, it will only increase headache of company to provide an on-demand 4x4 vehicle on all the versions including lowest. They tried it on the first ever Safari which was launched with only one version EX and having 4x4, not all the people wanted a 4x4 unnecessarily, (as per Indian minds it will increase head-ache of maintaining a 4x4 and they donot want to buy what is not needed) when the sales were not satisfying they brought a whole line-up of LX, EX,...... Even now too whenever I see a VX it is not a 4x4 version infact most of them are 4x2. You could easily imagine that if a VX owner does'nt opt for a 4x4 version than how many of LX buyer Indians would go for a 4x4? other than 4x4 enthusiastics (which are negligible). And if they would offer it only on a 4x4 LX (on demand) than what would happen to the high-end (VX) buyers who want a 4x4?

Above are my thoughts and not any statement, so might need some corrections.

[Rahulk76]

Why 4x4 only in top end variants of SUVs ?
Coz, Mahindras would be soon replaced by Sumo 4x4 and Safari4x4 in ***y.

[tsk1979]

SO its official.
The cheapest 4x4 Safari costs 12.55 Lakhs ex showroom Delhi
The cheapest 4x4 scorpio costs 11.39 Lakhs ex showroom Delhi

This basically means, that now no 4x4 BS4 SUV sold in India below 10 Lakhs.

[selfdrive]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

SO its official.
The cheapest 4x4 Safari costs 12.55 Lakhs ex showroom Delhi
The cheapest 4x4 scorpio costs 11.39 Lakhs ex showroom Delhi

This basically means, that now no 4x4 BS4 SUV sold in India below 10 Lakhs.

Wow, that really would bring a premium to the base models having 4x4 existing in the used car market
Sorry for being a bit basic, but would it be feasible to have a 4x4 in a CS version like the Xylo CS?

[ACM]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

SO its official.
The cheapest 4x4 Safari costs 12.55 Lakhs ex showroom Delhi
The cheapest 4x4 scorpio costs 11.39 Lakhs ex showroom Delhi

This basically means, that now no 4x4 BS4 SUV sold in India below 10 Lakhs.

i.e. if you discount the Thar

Also on a side note, presently the Aria (though priced way higher than both this options) has 4X4 by default across all models though later a 4X2 lower priced model is expected. So in this case a completely different logic has been used by the same company.

I guess though we do crib the sales figures for lower spec 4X4 Safari and Scorpio would have been so low that they that have decided to discontinue them, afterall they would not have done this except from the business point of view.

[AWD]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

SO its official. This basically means, that now no 4x4 BS4 SUV sold in India below 10 Lakhs.

Sad! On another note won't it bring more sales to the Companies if they offered 4x4 option in the lower/entry level variants?

Originally Posted by ACM

i.e. if you discount the Thar

Not an SUV, nor a lifestyle vehicle! Gypsy betters it in many ways.

[shankar.balan]

definitely discount the Thar. thats a real pig in a poke given the quality vs price!
and I think that since one is anyway made to wait for a 4WD version of any of these vehicles like Safari and Scorpio, they should technically be able to produce it in the spec/ trim level desired by the consumer! We are asked to pay a booking amount and then wait for delivery. Since they are any way producing only against firm order then why cant they give the option of spec and trim level to the consumer?
Answer: Because they are a bunch of lazy, consumer unfriendly so and so's who havent yet understood that the world has changed from OLD economy to NEW!

Originally Posted by ACM

i.e. if you discount the Thar

Also on a side note, presently the Aria (though priced way higher than both this options) has 4X4 by default across all models though later a 4X2 lower priced model is expected. So in this case a completely different logic has been used by the same company.

I guess though we do crib the sales figures for lower spec 4X4 Safari and Scorpio would have been so low that they that have decided to discontinue them, afterall they would not have done this except from the business point of view.

[tsk1979]

4x4 sales form a very small percentage of their sales. So they decide to forgo these sales, so that their logistical requirements are simple.

OTOH, suppose Tata starts giving LX 4x4 for 9.3 Lakhs ex showroom, it will pull a lot of Scorpio 4x4 fence sitters (11.89 lakhs) to Tata. Most people would reason that its okay to have slightly more niggles and save 1.5 lakhs.. Its an EMI reduction of around 4000 INR/month.

Or maybe they think that if they did so, then Mahindra will start offering a LX 4x4 Scorpio and the 4x4 war will go to lower end, leading to bigger logistical issues without much financial gain.

Deep down it all boils down to the fact that they are unable to comprehend that in these times of computers etc., logistics is a very solvable problem. But when you have engg and marketing departments completely isolated from the customer, you end up with this kind of scenario.

Hopefully, somebody will realize that there is a market for a 8L proper 4x4 SUV (even if 5 seater) in the market.

[Ragul]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

SO its official.
The cheapest 4x4 Safari costs 12.55 Lakhs ex showroom Delhi
The cheapest 4x4 scorpio costs 11.39 Lakhs ex showroom Delhi

This basically means, that now no 4x4 BS4 SUV sold in India below 10 Lakhs.

Get a new Gypsy @6.4lacs OTR and spend a lac or more on giving it a roof/body and rear sofa ...


--Ragul

[starter]

Originally Posted by Ragul

Get a new Gypsy @6.4lacs OTR and spend a lac or more on giving it a roof/body and rear sofa ...


--Ragul

I am so waiting to hear/read the replies that would come for this statement Ragul!
Cheers,
Deepak

[4x4addict]

Originally Posted by ACM

Also on a side note, presently the Aria (though priced way higher than both this options) has 4X4 by default across all models though later a 4X2 lower priced model is expected. So in this case a completely different logic has been used by the same company.

@ACM. The Aria 4WD system is not a heavy duty unit like the Safari or Scorpio. It is similar to the systems used in soft roaders meant mainly for slippery surfaces and not to go off-road.

[ACM]

Originally Posted by 4x4addict

@ACM. The Aria 4WD system is not a heavy duty unit like the Safari or Scorpio. It is similar to the systems used in soft roaders meant mainly for slippery surfaces and not to go off-road.

Oh sure am aware it is afterall a crossover vehicle and not meant for hardcore offroading, the point I was making was that the same company is in the case of the Aria keeping the AWD system as standard in all present models unlike in the case of the Safari.

[karizma9292]

Good news for future scorpio 4WD buyers , according to a sales executive in SKS automobiles Bannerghatta road Bangalore , 4Wd is now available in the LX version also. On-road price for LX 2WD is 9.70lakhs so LX 4Wd is 80k (approx) over the 2WD price.

(Mods please delete this post if already discussed)

[tsk1979]

Latest news
Scorpio 4x4 LX available now - 9.17L ex showroom Delhi

Safari EX 4x4 also makes a comeback, though they have not got gone ahead and introduced LX 4x4. If they do so, it would cost less than 9L ex showroom.