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| ![]() Now, why does the entire discussion here revolve around nomenclature...! Does it really matter what the vehicle is actually called. The entire group here, all this while, was talking about a real off-roader with all bells & whistles. There is one in the anvil and a precursor is out in the market. I certainly do not believe Mahindra would invest all that $$ without thinking about what they want to achieve out of it. And lets accept it, Mahindra intents to make some serious money out of this exercise. All the boarders here put together would buy...say...500 Thars...? While that remains a niche group a company cant put a biz plan and all associated activities incl nomenclature around this 500 number. There is a larger game at play and that's what is being played. Having said that, my take is that the Di model is for a segment that uses Thar for their bread & butter and CDRe model is for serious enthusiasts whose purpose of Thar is completely different from the Di segment. |
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@ Samurai - Thanks for the calculations. Mine was a guesstimate. |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() While a lot of guys are worring about the Thar DI diminishing the snob value of Thar CRDe, I am more worried about the Lakhs of Mahindra pick ups that have the same look as the Thar CRDe. Just imaging you are proudly driving your Thar CRDe to your office in electronic city and you see a Yellow Thar CRDe in you rear view mirror and then when it over takes you, you it loaded to the top with vegetables and four laborers sitting atop the vegetables. Your friend in the village is not going to mistake your Thar CRDe for the Thar DI, he will ask you if he you have put a canvas body on the Mahindra pick up. Look guys, Mahindra has done disservice to the CJ, by putting the CJ front in front of a commerical pick up, so I wouldn't worry too much about the Thar DI. @pjbiju: Anyone who is into jeeps will immediately know the difference between the Thar DI & Thar CRDe. Some one who is not into jeeps won't know the difference, except maybe when he is eating your smoke on the highway and wondering whether you filled up your mm540 with rocket fuel. |
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Not sure if my comment makes sense to many, but this is my personal opinion If the Thar CRDe or Thar Di is ever priced equal or above Bolero CRDe or Bolero Di versions, I'm seriously doubt if Mahindra to make a success story with Thar. Bolero SLX is 6.2L and Strom is 7.2L on road in Chennai, which has got lots of goodies like more seats, A/C, power steering, hard top, plastic panels, lights, grill, headlights ... so on. The distinct feature of Thar is that it is a 4x4 enthusiastic vehicle and fewer people are waiting to grab their stake. But if it is over priced in my opinion anything above 5L onroad is a over kill to Thar CRDe itself. The Thar is not meant for people who likes only looks, if M&M feels I can write another story like what has happen to Mahindra Classic. I hope the pricing when worked out will have consideration for all such things, not just fancy tag. | |
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Vehicle will come soft top, PS and maybe with alloys (hope its not the scorpio ones), rest if possible has to be a dealership fitment. Thats the news right now. Capability wise vehicle is quite aok. Quote:
So now that pricing is out, optimist in me slightly confused. My calculations goes like this: The Thar: 6.1 Ex = 7.4 OTR BLR (min) Tyre= 30 AC= 30 Rear diff locks = 40?? Total 8.4 to 8.5 minimum. This for a second vehicle and 5-6k kms run for me. Gypsy 6.58 OTR + Tyre 30 + EDIT AC 20 + (Locker + Crawler 70) = 7.6 lakhs. I still save close to a lakh. And less expensive electronics in the engine for my paranoia about water wading! What to do what to do, somebody get the darn thing out and do a proper test drive evaluation!!! Last edited by Jaggu : 5th December 2010 at 19:39. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ![]() Frankly the 550 platform/looks can never create a niche segment. The Jeep has been far too common & as a member rightly pointed out, MM used the same looks on commercial pick-ups. A Thar user who wants style, image, might be left disappointed. I won't be left surprised if Bolero, Scorpio, Safari owners look down upon Thar users! I say this because Bolero, Scorpio were considered as up-market & natural progression of MM Jeeps. I fear that the discussions on nomenclature at this critical stage might delay the launch further. |
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| ![]() If M& M is listening then here is the enthusiast in me pointing a few things. The MDi. 1. Please try and take the THAR name out of it. Call it Bolero Junglee. That will sound better. 2. For those who want it, in the MDi form, please provide ac & ps as a factory option. 3. Hard top and 4x4 can also be factory options and please keep a reality check on the pricing. For the CRDe. 1. Please keep the THAR brand exclusive to this version, which should be a representation of the evolving Mahindra Jeep concept. Use distinct and effective badging, add good macho alloys, not the ugly Scorpio ones please. 2. Dont make it too expensive, and atleast ac & ps should have to be standard factory fit and not an additional dealer fitment. 3.The hard top, roll cage, etc may be dealer options, but within a decent price range and most importantly the quality should be top notch. When a customer pays a premium for something like the THAR he will/ should expect; 1. Distinct badging from the rural transport jeep. 2. Distinct looks to complement the badging. 3. Distinct mechanicals(in this case engine & IFS). We are all too familiar with Mahindra's cut and paste strategy since the beginning of history of the company. Mating engines and gearboxes on different body styles across the range including load carriers is quite popular with Mahindra. But for THAR as a brand, some exclusivity has to be maintained, that is, if Mahindra wants to have an exclusive brand in the THAR, else it might just end up as another fancy load carrier or rural police jeep at best. Dont make this one go the Mahindra Classic way. And please keep a reality check on the price. EDIT >> let me put a price to my thoughts. ON ROAD PRICE BOMBAY. Mdi Bolero Junglee 4x2 - 5lakhs Mdi Bolero Junglee 4x4 - 6lakhs (with bells and whistles ac & ps) Thar Crde(4x4) - 7.5 lakhs with ac, ps and alloys/hardtop) ![]() The Crde Thar still sounds expensive to me.. am I the only one!! Last edited by jaysmokesleaves : 5th December 2010 at 20:29. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() maybe MM can offer some colors only on Thar CRDe to differentiate from the MDi version |
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Yup thats why a lil bit of tweaking and some accessorizing (not M&M mod job!), that can do wonders. Just look at Hyd guys, how they do it up aesthetically and functionally, if M&M had invested a lil bit on tooling up for one or two new panels things would have really worked differently. Right now they dont have anything going including the name, which was the last chance lol Quote:
Ideal pricing for me would have been 6 lakhs OTR. I would have blindly bought it, even if it had only bare bone stuff. Quote:
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If I may add to jays suggestions, add the chrome buck/walrus tooth to the Junglee to differentiate it from the crde :-) Last edited by 4x4addict : 5th December 2010 at 20:41. | ||
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![]() No i will not be using Gypsy as my primary vehicle, i have already done that in 2000, dont want to walk that track no more. Quote:
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() ![]() Wow, that was super pretty close... hmm, a year ago I didnt know I will say this, but I may start to save up for this BS3-4wd-DI after all, lets see. Good thing I moved to a BS2/3 town... ![]() |
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| ![]() One nice pic. Just to lighten up the things. ![]() Courtesy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/juanelo242/5124545517 This can also be done to MDi. Just need some negative offset alloys there. One of the best looking Thar we must say. |
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