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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Marketing Gimmick? 1) IMO - For the company this is good marketing. End of day they are going to see what matters Sales numbers. Public sees more vehicles with the Thar decal be it MDi or CRDe giving more publicity for the vehicle there by more sales. Less visibility of vehicle on road will lead to lesser sales. 2) I agree that a THAR CRDe owner will know he has a better and niche product than the fellow THAR MDi driving along side him and vice-versa. Would anyone seriously Not buy the Thar just cause the new 550 is also being called a THAR? Similarly, many who want the Storm may settle for the MDi cause they cannot afford it. Storm Owners know they have the top end (mechanically) variant so dilution of brand is not an issue. 3) Many want the Solid Axle more affordable variant which MM has given. Why cant these guys drive around with the THAR badge? 4) The Thar has not even launched, no buyers and its become such a big brand?.... that we are now trying to protect it? ![]() Also, thanks for clearing up that the 4x4 version is coming. For many this would make more sense than the more expensive and overpriced ![]() I Like the rational given by Vinod Quote:
Hello saar - I patented that naming convention. MM would have to pay me royalty of atleast 1 MM Thar CRDe and 1 MM Thar MDi / MM560 for coining that model name. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post2097746 http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post2097797 Everything matches what we speculated except I had asked for MDL. MM why aren't you listening? Quote:
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a) Why should he be impatient and buy the 4x2 and modify? How long will the 4x4 take to be launched / delivered? b) why would you alter the perch points? Have you see the MTs being used nowadays by most folks? the 7.50 -16 tyre is considered nothing now a days. Quote:
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Not the comfy CRDe Okay seriously. Can someone confirm these numbers? IMO the CRDe would be priced 1.75L+ more than the MDi. Wolf~ which dealer did you see this vehicle at? India Garage / Sireesh / SKS ? Am guessing SKS, Bilakahalli? Last edited by IronWolf : 3rd December 2010 at 14:29. | |||||||
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Hi DB Sir/Vinod/Spike, I have a few questions 1) Why wasn't the 57" OKBJ used in the MDI? This has been used in the NGCS MM550XD & DI and the Legend. Is the Caster/Camber/KPI & Toe-In the same and is it a 35degree Knuckle for a 51"OKBJ? 2) Why hasn't the 53" FFRA carried over from NGCS MM550XD/MDI & Legend. 3) The Force Motors Gurkha uses a 4.9:1 Differential Ratio and still qualifies for BS3, why not a MM550 variant? *: Force Motors LTD. Regards, Arka |
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Moreover read the tiger vs cat theory, brilliant marketing strategy by M&M i say. Quote:
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As i said some of us who really dont care, such rational works. But fact might be different for 3rd person. And i cannot accept it to be that simple coming from a M&M inside voice ![]() Quote:
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So it aint that simple. Again if we want to discuss on this, it can continue for pages. But only thing that matters right now is just the pricing of Tom Dick and Harry models of this jeep. So lets please look at that angle and keep waiting. | |||||||||||||
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jeez, why does every Thar thread become so emotional. Guys there are two versions depending on your preferences. Basically you buy either or neither and move one. People whining about every version of the Thar is becoming unbearable to me and I am sure i must be just as painful for the team who has made this a reality. The most vocal critics seem to be the people who have no intention of buying either Thar. Leave the folks at Mahindra to run the company. The reality is that no large company like Mahindra can make every customer 100% satisfied with a product design or package. You have to modify the vehicle to suit your needs as we have been doing with the MM540/550s. Frankly, I have gone past the stage in my life where I buy something to keep up with the Jones or keep my cousin Jones in Kerala happy. I buy a product that I want and the name doesn't hold me back. Last edited by 4x4addict : 3rd December 2010 at 15:27. Reason: Refer to previous PM. Thanks |
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As far as i am concerned I still have an open cheque, which i will sign by beginning or max by middle of next year. On which companies name, will depend on just 2 criteria's for Thar. Landed price + Water ford-ability. And i mean it. Lol do you seriously think M&M stopped production becoz of this silly discussion here??? Just kidding. Quote:
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M&M is not doing any of us a favour by launching either or neither of the vehicles. They have put forward specs which can be openly debated and are being openly debated, but surprisingly none of the questions posed to them have been answered within the "Realms of Scientific Reasoning and Engineering". We have been modifying our vehicles to suit our needs, what are the similarities between, your MM540DP & my MM540XD, we tried to CUT, COPY & PASTE something which M&M have done on some vehicles i.e NGCS MM550XD. Then why isn't that being carried forward on the newer models? Are we to really believe this is the best we can have? Can you believe that the reason for not using FFRA, is that the two additional bearings create powerloss and decrease efficiency. But Force Motors manages to do so with their FFRA on their DI Engine peaking at 3200RPM, with a 4.9 Differential Ratio. So I take it you are going to buy a New THAR MDI and swap Axles ![]() Regards, Arka | |
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| ![]() Arka / Spike,..why was the Thar MDi not introduced with the XDP engine considering it put out 72 bhp in Naturally aspirated format. Was it as the torque is lower down in the rev range. |
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BHPian ![]() | ![]() On the branding issue, M&M have already done something similar to this with the Scorpio M2Di which was possibly diluting a higher-end brand (by M&M standards) and though I don't have Sales numbers, I still see them around so am sure they think its an ok thing to do. I think the MDI3200 engine should be called the "Brand Diluter" or "BDi" engine ( of course no reference to Mr. Behram here) as its typically used to do that ![]() Cheers, Adi |
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The XD3P died a BS2 Death..........but its Ghost still resides in the NEF2.49TCIC and NEF249 CRDe aka M-Eagle. XD3P was 15-16Kgm@2000Rpm. Regards, Arka | |
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| ![]() Jaggu, I meant 6.5 with the yuppie mobile, is my logic flawed? Since a hard top Bolero VLX is 7.5 at Saddi Delhi on road. Course that is a 2 wheelie thingie and it talks naughty to you ![]() Regards, Chaunfa |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() When we finally add AC + HT + MT/AT tyres + front facing rear seats to Thar CDRe, I wonder what will be the final price tag? Then there is the Winch, MLD and additional lights. This may end up costing as much as Gurkha in the end. PS: FFRA and MLD will be mutually exclusive, I suppose MLD is available only in SFRA version. |
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- Exactly And Exactly Cause its the Thar and we are on the 4x4 section ![]() Quote:
Can we have more reviews / info on the Thar MDi as the topic suggests and not talk about the CRDe 'beast' until it really arrives? ![]() Okay seriously -- no off topic discussions. Last edited by Amartya : 4th December 2010 at 07:24. Reason: Edited out an extra smiley. | ||
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I was referring to folks hitting their head against the wall about the Thar brand being diluted because of MDI. It may or may not, but if anyone is holding back from buying a Thar CRDe, just because there is a Thar DI then it doesn't make sense in my opinion. I am just questioning the logic that some people put forth that Thar DI will bring shame to the Thar CRDe. Scorpiio has the M2DI which doesn't prevent it from clocking 3000+ units a month. Safari still offered the 2.0 TCIC option unil a year or so ago XYLO has D2 with grey bumpers which hasn't prevented XYLO from selling 3000 units a month. Xenon has a 4x2 cousin. Heck, even the Range Rover has a poor cousin called the Range Rover Sport which is based on the previous generation(prior to BMW/Ford takeover). Porche has the GT2 and the boxter for the masses. Mercedes has the A-Class and The SL55 AMG. I can go on an on, but I hope people will stop worrying about Thar brand dilution. Quote:
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Only a true jeep enthusiast will appreciate the Thar. If you take the vehicle to a layman who has no interest in jeeps, he will really wonder why you bought it. It is really not a mass market vehicle, but targeted at jeep enthusiasts. Quote:
I do agree that Mahindra cuts corners. There was absolutely no reason to take away things like FFRA, 57 in track, and lower the leaf springs etc. But I was pointing out that if you want a deisel 4x4 in the 5 to 6 lakh range, Mahindra is your only choice. Besides I feel that the M&M folks who do inhabit this form may have to concede to other departments for cost control etc... Quote:
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