[navin]

Originally Posted by santosh.s

... for very mysterious world of audio!)

Audio is not mysterious. Just trust YOUR ears!

[low_bass_makker]

Originally Posted by santosh.s

(just kidding...with due respect to all Gurus for their guidance/information provided here with absolutely no obligations whatsoever. I do agree that budget is an important deciding factor behind any purchase, which is especially true for very mysterious world of audio!)

If one goes out to buy anything from car audio to underwear there is one`s budget in which he knows how much one can invest.....it is not like that it is a mysterious world.....one has to hold on the he does not float away in the equipment he saws......one has to decide what to buy and what not.....so to understand other person requirement the budget is a must along with music preference......

[mobike008]

Sam, Navin, when i said 50k-60k seems to be the base figures for ICE Gurus, i said that with all respect to your knowledge of what better equipment is available in the market. Hence, you know you would need atleast that much to satisfy and design that good SQ ICE sytem. But, for novices like me, I have only heard of pioneer, sony..etc..etc...all this information on ICE is a real big eye opener and I am like most new comers are all keen learners/ or should i say wannabe learners. And, i am also trying my best to contribute to newbies whereever i can with whatever little knowledge that i garned from you all folks.

Also my comment was meant to be in a light tone ( hope you have seen the emoticon ) and the passion you gurus show for audio is second to none.

Thanks to all you gurus, people are enjoying their music much better, taking decisions wisely and i should not add but, iam really tempted (also spending more money) . Keep up the good work..kudos to all of you

[BEEM3R]

I felt no embarassment when you guys asked me for my budget whatsoever. I had mentioned the usage of the car, so along those parameters wanted to know what a good budget was in return. Anything about 25k but below 50k. Preferably in the 30s or early 40s. Anyway I totally understand sneering at bad equipment, which is why I came here for advice. Didnt want to spend money and have people say its a lousy set up. Anyway if you guys can suggest something I'm game, but Im hoping its sometime soon, cause its the weekend and I can probably do something this weekend. Atleast suggest a good place in Chennai?

[navin]

Originally Posted by BEEM3R

Preferably in the 30s or early 40s. Anyway I totally Didnt want to spend money and have people say its a lousy set up.

This sysstem is about YOU not US. You should build a system that suits you and forget what we think.

for 30K
Wires: 3K Audisson makes some nice wire at 1K per pair. Monster sells for 1.4K per pair
HU: 7K (Pio, Kenwood, Blaupunkt)
Amp: 7K (Pio might be your best option)
Speakers: 9K (JBL, Hertz, Alpine S, Blau Thx) components in front, coax in rear
Sub: 4K (Pio 306C in a box)

For 40K
add Damping for front doors 3-4K
upgrade sub to 7K (4K more) JBL GT4-12 in box.
upgrade HU to 8-9K (1-2K more) same brands as above.

[santosh.s]

LBM/Navinji, as I had made it clear beforehand, I do understand and agree with your views and also my comments were (still are) on lighter note. Except that I still feel that audio is more mysterious than most other things. I used to think that it is a well known and accepted fact, even by many experts in the field (but I might be wrong, or did I use an inappropriate word- "mysterious"?). Anything and everything can become mysterious for that matter depending upon circumstances. But there is nothing as ambiguous as audio (should I say "SQ"). For other things, people usually know exactly what they are spending for, it doesn't matter what it is... may be it is some tangible feature or benefit... or just snob value, but it is clear in his or her mind. When people explore options to spend on audio-SQ, they are very likely to have feelings similar to that of BEEM3R - "Anyway I totally Didnt want to spend money and have people say its a lousy set up" If SQ was not such a confusing topic, then such situations should have occurred rarely, but I guess it's not so!

BTW, can somebody throw some light on how "type" of music affect ICEing? Like some equipment being optional or mandatory for a particular type, or something demanding a better quality or tolerating lower quality etc.? Shouldn't it be as good and realistic sound as you can afford, irrespective of the kind of music you listen to? (music "type" is not to be confused with individual "musical tastes", which I am sure should affect one's ICE choice)

[low_bass_makker]

Firstly santosh.S what do you understand by the term SQ (sound quality)?????

this will help us understand what are you try to achive with the discussion....

[santosh.s]

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

SQ (sound quality)?????

of course, I thought it was obvious to tbhp-ICE readers... hope you won't ask for meaning of "ICE" now!

[low_bass_makker]

Originally Posted by santosh.s

of course, I thought it was obvious to tbhp-ICE readers... hope you won't ask for meaning of "ICE" now!

No no Sir....I mean what do you consider as SQ......what is your defination of the same....

[santosh.s]

OK... this definition of SQ itself is the cause of all confusions, and I think it has been beaten to death, not only on this forum but countless others too. For me, it is nothing but something which makes sound pleasurable and realistic, devoid of any unwanted character.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

No no Sir....I mean what do you consider as SQ......what is your defination of the same....

About 8 years back I remember Clinton asking the same about another two letter word.

I think non-ICEers like me have a very different idea, must be because I think my 21K ICE sounds pretty nice to me. Still I am all ears to hear different definitions of SQ.

[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by santosh.s

of course, I thought it was obvious to tbhp-ICE readers... hope you won't ask for meaning of "ICE" now!

Its not obvious santosh. SQ varies from person to person.
My cousin spent 60K on his system in his opel astra club. I thought it was a lousy install, since all that could be heard was bass. But he wanted it that way, so he had 2 huge subs with 2 amps driving those two subs. His aim was that every time he drives along the geri route in chd, the thump should be heart for half a km. That was what "SQ" meant to him.

So you have all kinds of people with different needs. Only mans exilr is another mans poison.

[navin]

Originally Posted by santosh.s

But there is nothing as ambiguous as audio (should I say "SQ"). ... When people explore options to spend on audio-SQ, they are very likely to have feelings similar to that of BEEM3R ...

BTW, can somebody throw some light on how "type" of music affect ICEing? ...Shouldn't it be as good and realistic sound as you can afford, irrespective of the kind of music you listen to?

Santosh,

You can get ambigious over anything. My sister is a fashion designer and an artist and those areas are even more ambigious than ICE (or any other field that involves technology).

We at ICE offer simple suggestions such as TRUST YOUR EARS for exactly that reason.

My definition of SQ is simple. Music that is listenable, clean, undistorted and that can give me goosebumps and get my toe to tap involuntarily. It is another matter that what gets me going might not work for someone else - now you understand why we say TRUST YOUR EARS.

BEEM3R had a valid query and I think we gave him as appropriate an answer we could. We are willing to elaborate on this if nessacary.

Enough said. I think we are spending too much typing and too little time listening. I, for one, am going back to my music. Sayonara, aufwiedershen, and all that jazz.

[santosh.s]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Its not obvious santosh. SQ varies from person to person.

Sorry, I didn't get LBM's question correctly for the first time... I meant only the full-form of SQ was obvious, no way its meaning or definition!

[santosh.s]

Navinji, when it comes to stuff like fashion designing, I must agree that it is bound to be more confusing Hope you are not taking all my statements literally. Since audio is the focus of our discussions, there was a bit of exaggeration about it.