Need help for my Santro rear speaker

AdXing · 29th August 2006, 20:35

As suggested by you guys, I went to the installer and wanted to try out JBL 426/kicker4" compos connected to the Amp..

But to my surprise these guys said that the high power amp (sony 504) will blow out the small powered front speakers. Is this true? I was so surprised and I came back without doing anything.

Experts, please advise!

rareone · 29th August 2006, 21:24

i had my JBL 426 connected 2 sony xplod 504 amp.

Nothin happened 2 it in 1 year.

May be you have to do the gain settings in amp...

AdXing · 29th August 2006, 21:35

thnx rareone...

can you please explain as to what do you mean by gain settings in the amp? I am confused

s0uljah · 29th August 2006, 23:44

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Originally Posted by AdXing

But to my surprise these guys said that the high power amp (sony 504) will blow out the small powered front speakers. Is this true? I was so surprised and I came back without doing anything.

Experts, please advise!

1. Surprise surprise...
2. NOT TRUE ! Its just a bull**** crappy marketing ploy to sell you something else.
3. Its good you left on your instinct without making a purchase.
4. Im not an expert... but hope this helped

navin · 30th August 2006, 09:41

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Originally Posted by AdXing

thnx rareone...

can you please explain as to what do you mean by gain settings in the amp? I am confused

gain settings allow you match the level of your speakers. they are used to fine tune front/rear levels but by setting the gain low you can make sure that no matter how high you turn the HU the amp wont deliver enough power to damage your speakers.

BTW it is easier to blow out a speaker (esp a tweeter) using less power than more power. When you use too little power the amp will CLIP. when an amp CLIPs it produces a lot of high frequency energy. Tweeters are not designed to handle that and quitely die. woofers on the other hand will complain (bad distorted sound) before dying.

I hope this explanation is simple enough. If so Sam would be pleased.

AdXing · 30th August 2006, 11:00

thanks Navin..
I currently have a Sony504 amp connected to my rear speakers GTO936.
I was thinking to connect the amo to the front speakers as well (GTO426).

Now, my question- Is there any probs with the above setup?
What should be the gain setting on the amp for the above setup to deliver optimum performance?

jkdas · 30th August 2006, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdXing

thanks Navin..
I currently have a Sony504 amp connected to my rear speakers GTO936.
I was thinking to connect the amo to the front speakers as well (GTO426).

Now, my question- Is there any probs with the above setup?
What should be the gain setting on the amp for the above setup to deliver optimum performance?

it is purrrffectly fine. If I could I would ahev even powered mine with Pio 6100 amp.

abt tuning, emm, hope your installer is a good guy at it. If you doubt him ( well, your gain thingy screw will by set at full or so), read that post by kureti,post doubts, experiment, use your years or/and easier way is to go to a good installer recommended by other Hyd tbhpians

rareone · 30th August 2006, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdXing

thanks Navin..
I currently have a Sony504 amp connected to my rear speakers GTO936.
I was thinking to connect the amo to the front speakers as well (GTO426).

Now, my question- Is there any probs with the above setup?
What should be the gain setting on the amp for the above setup to deliver optimum performance?

The above setup has no probs. This is the way people connect thier front and rear speakers on a 4 channel amp...

AdXing · 30th August 2006, 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkdas

it is purrrffectly fine. If I could I would ahev even powered mine with Pio 6100 amp.

abt tuning, emm, hope your installer is a good guy at it. If you doubt him ( well, your gain thingy screw will by set at full or so), read that post by kureti,post doubts, experiment, use your years or/and easier way is to go to a good installer recommended by other Hyd tbhpians

Well said jkdas, currently my gain control screw is set to full...
I guess I need to tune it after connecting it with the front speakers.
Anyone knows a good installer in Hyd please help.

AdXing · 30th August 2006, 14:06

I was browsing and I found only 1 4" kicker component model ES4.2
Do you think this will be a better bet than GTO426?

Actually, the kicker 4" comp I couldn't find in the shops I searched. So I have to order it. Ppl who have listened to both please advise.

anToNIcHeN · 30th August 2006, 17:49

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Originally Posted by navin

BTW it is easier to blow out a speaker (esp a tweeter) using less power than more power. When you use too little power the amp will CLIP.

navin, can you explain this?.... little power?... where?...

regards,
ant.

Sam Kapasi · 30th August 2006, 18:39

When you use a LOW powered amplifier (or in navin's words, too little power) to turn the volume up, you will overdrive the amp, driving it into clipping mode. It is easier to blow a speaker with this, than with a higher powered amplifier.

nitrous · 30th August 2006, 19:00

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the speaker is a pioneer 6x9 directly installed under the stock location.....

That is some space saving,bro.
Before this, i didnt know u could fix a 6x9 there.Maybe a 6" though.

angelfire · 30th August 2006, 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdXing

thanks Navin..
I currently have a Sony504 amp connected to my rear speakers GTO936.
I was thinking to connect the amo to the front speakers as well (GTO426).

Now, my question- Is there any probs with the above setup?
What should be the gain setting on the amp for the above setup to deliver optimum performance?

Well buddy...how`s the quality of sound in your present set up..in terms of bass..clarity.. etc...cause am thinkin of the same kind of setup...

AdXing · 30th August 2006, 20:36

I currently have GTO936 at the rear connected to the amp.
At front, I have crappy sony speakers provided free by the dealer.

So currently, the sound is pretty good, bass is nice but I want a little more clarity. Also, it is very rear-heavy and almost no sound coming out of the front.

So I am going to get better speakers at the front...and hook them to the amp. I have a limitation of size though - 4"
So I am looking at the following ones:
1. Kicker 4" comp ES4.2
2. JBL GTO 426/ P452

I have only heard the JBL GTO426 one and its good.
But the other ones are not available at the accessory shop.
So, if I want any of those, I need to order...

So, Guyz please advise as to which one will be the better choice

29th August 2006, 20:35	#31
AdXing BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: hyderabad Posts: 37 Thanked: 0 Times	More questions As suggested by you guys, I went to the installer and wanted to try out JBL 426/kicker4" compos connected to the Amp.. But to my surprise these guys said that the high power amp (sony 504) will blow out the small powered front speakers. Is this true? I was so surprised and I came back without doing anything. Experts, please advise!
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29th August 2006, 21:24	#32
rareone BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 256 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	i had my JBL 426 connected 2 sony xplod 504 amp. Nothin happened 2 it in 1 year. May be you have to do the gain settings in amp...
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29th August 2006, 21:35	#33
AdXing BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: hyderabad Posts: 37 Thanked: 0 Times	thnx rareone... can you please explain as to what do you mean by gain settings in the amp? I am confused
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30th August 2006, 11:00	#36
AdXing BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: hyderabad Posts: 37 Thanked: 0 Times	thanks Navin.. I currently have a Sony504 amp connected to my rear speakers GTO936. I was thinking to connect the amo to the front speakers as well (GTO426). Now, my question- Is there any probs with the above setup? What should be the gain setting on the amp for the above setup to deliver optimum performance?
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30th August 2006, 14:06	#40
AdXing BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: hyderabad Posts: 37 Thanked: 0 Times	I was browsing and I found only 1 4" kicker component model ES4.2 Do you think this will be a better bet than GTO426? Actually, the kicker 4" comp I couldn't find in the shops I searched. So I have to order it. Ppl who have listened to both please advise.
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30th August 2006, 18:39	#42
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	When you use a LOW powered amplifier (or in navin's words, too little power) to turn the volume up, you will overdrive the amp, driving it into clipping mode. It is easier to blow a speaker with this, than with a higher powered amplifier.
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30th August 2006, 20:36	#45
AdXing BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: hyderabad Posts: 37 Thanked: 0 Times	I currently have GTO936 at the rear connected to the amp. At front, I have crappy sony speakers provided free by the dealer. So currently, the sound is pretty good, bass is nice but I want a little more clarity. Also, it is very rear-heavy and almost no sound coming out of the front. So I am going to get better speakers at the front...and hook them to the amp. I have a limitation of size though - 4" So I am looking at the following ones: 1. Kicker 4" comp ES4.2 2. JBL GTO 426/ P452 I have only heard the JBL GTO426 one and its good. But the other ones are not available at the accessory shop. So, if I want any of those, I need to order... So, Guyz please advise as to which one will be the better choice
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