Battery Effect due to ICE Usage

mobike008 · 11th January 2007, 14:39

I drive a viva crdi and have the following ICE set-up

Pio 6850
Sony 4-Channel Amp
Pio Sub-Woofer
Blaunpunkt Front Comps
JBL Rear co-axials

My question is can i play my music even if my engine is switched off? I mean will this drain the battery or something?

Is it different for a petrol engine against a diesel one?

Please advice

hydrashok · 11th January 2007, 14:49

Better not play music with the engine off. You have an amp and a sub. That is reason enough. Extended sessions will drain the battery. Short sessions (5 minutes or so) may not cause as much harm, but why take the risk?

I never use my ICE with the engine off -- not even for a minute. And now I've got into the habit of switching off my HU before turning the engine off, so starting the engine later will not strain the battery, with 2 amps and a HU to power-up along with the engine. I have a 1.2 (Petrol) Palio, by the way.

I'm not sure if a diesel car will behave differently.

navin · 11th January 2007, 15:18

My wife's car has 2 amps (a Blau velocity 504 and a PA275) she has run her system for about 5-10 minutes with the car off without a problem but any extended session would drain the battery to the level where there wont be enough cranking amps to start your car.

vikram_d · 11th January 2007, 15:30

I have a 6850 also. I use its inbuilt volt meter when I use the system witht he engine off. I use it max till about 12.1V remaining. Have never faced a problem.

tsk1979 · 11th January 2007, 15:39

Get a battery with higher Ah.
For example if your car needs a 55Ah battery, get one which is rated at 65Ah. This should take care of medium length sessions.

jkdas · 11th January 2007, 15:44

check this thread
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/car-en...much-load.html

mobike008 · 11th January 2007, 15:59

Thanks a bunch folks, Since mine is a new car, dont intend to change the batter just for the sake of music.

I reckon will stick to music on the move

I got my answer. Mods, Kindly do the needful

Sam Kapasi · 11th January 2007, 16:03

At low volumes, i think you can easily run for about half an hour with no trouble. At higher volumes i'd say 15 minutes.

But be careful. Imagine the scenario.

You're with your lady, sitting by the sea, whispering sweet nothings. You play soft romantic music to get her into the mood. And it's your lucky day. The lips meet, the hands explore. The sweetest time flies by accompanied by beautiful songs.

Then it's late and she has to go home. And your car doesnt start and she can't steer, so you ask her to push. There goes love, down the toilet. Better to start your car and play music.

mobike008 · 11th January 2007, 16:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

But be careful. Imagine the scenario.

You're with your lady, sitting by the sea, whispering sweet nothings. You play soft romantic music to get her into the mood. And it's your lucky day. The lips meet, the hands explore. The sweetest time flies by accompanied by beautiful songs.

Then it's late and she has to go home. And your car doesnt start and she can't steer, so you ask her to push. There goes love, down the toilet. Better to start your car and play music.

Thanks Sam-bang on target, thats exactly i am afraid of

esteem_lover · 11th January 2007, 16:22

And you get her all panting by the wrong means. LOL. sam, you are a riot.

i have used/been using my ICE for extended periods, say 80-120mins with the engine off. so far sam's scenario has not happened to me. but i would not recommend anyone to try this & curse me for giving false ideas.

BTW, i have a DVD player, amp, sub, LCD screen all running at that time & my battery is DIng Dong Amaron. I guess it also depends on the car's running & the battery condition also. If you are driving for extended periods in the night, then your battery is not at full charge, in a petrol engine scenario. On the other hand, if you drive extensively during the day, then your battery is in top charge, just like sam is when he sits in his car under the moonlight.

tsk1979 · 11th January 2007, 16:58

Battery should have top charge even with headlights and AC on. I have driven 8 hours at night with Headlights(130/110W), AC and ICE system(mp3 player at medium volume).
Check the voltage at your battery terminals with Lights and AC on, if it falls below 12.5 there is trouble brewing with your alternator.

esteem_lover · 11th January 2007, 17:07

@tsk1979...it will charge, but there will be moments when you are stuck in the traffic with the headlights & AC on, there will be a discharge in petrol engines.

Bass&Trouble · 11th January 2007, 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

so you ask her to push.

Asking is one thing, and happening is another. Faced with such a request, the only thing mine would push is me.. down a cliff.

tsk1979 · 11th January 2007, 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by esteem_lover

@tsk1979...it will charge, but there will be moments when you are stuck in the traffic with the headlights & AC on, there will be a discharge in petrol engines.

In my indica diesel even at idle with headlights and AC on it stays above 12, in the 12.5 range. So battery is always charging.

esteem_lover · 12th January 2007, 00:11

in idle with ac & headlights on, the ideal position is being neutral, else the battery could get screwed up. i really dont know much about diesels. i had a 118 with nissan diesel engine & it had absolutely no battery hassles, basically because the diesels do not require the battery power when the engine is running, but the petrols always require battery power

11th January 2007, 14:39	#1
mobike008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 11,695 Thanked: 14,783 Times View My Garage	Battery Effect due to ICE Usage I drive a viva crdi and have the following ICE set-up Pio 6850 Sony 4-Channel Amp Pio Sub-Woofer Blaunpunkt Front Comps JBL Rear co-axials My question is can i play my music even if my engine is switched off? I mean will this drain the battery or something? Is it different for a petrol engine against a diesel one? Please advice
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11th January 2007, 14:49	#2
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,528 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	Better not play music with the engine off. You have an amp and a sub. That is reason enough. Extended sessions will drain the battery. Short sessions (5 minutes or so) may not cause as much harm, but why take the risk? I never use my ICE with the engine off -- not even for a minute. And now I've got into the habit of switching off my HU before turning the engine off, so starting the engine later will not strain the battery, with 2 amps and a HU to power-up along with the engine. I have a 1.2 (Petrol) Palio, by the way. I'm not sure if a diesel car will behave differently.
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11th January 2007, 15:18	#3
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,176 Thanked: 9,264 Times	My wife's car has 2 amps (a Blau velocity 504 and a PA275) she has run her system for about 5-10 minutes with the car off without a problem but any extended session would drain the battery to the level where there wont be enough cranking amps to start your car.
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11th January 2007, 15:30	#4
vikram_d Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,427 Thanked: 1,185 Times	I have a 6850 also. I use its inbuilt volt meter when I use the system witht he engine off. I use it max till about 12.1V remaining. Have never faced a problem.
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11th January 2007, 15:39	#5
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,823 Times View My Garage	Get a battery with higher Ah. For example if your car needs a 55Ah battery, get one which is rated at 65Ah. This should take care of medium length sessions.
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11th January 2007, 15:44	#6
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,687 Thanked: 1,492 Times View My Garage	check this thread http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/car-en...much-load.html
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11th January 2007, 15:59	#7
mobike008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 11,695 Thanked: 14,783 Times View My Garage	Thank You Thanks a bunch folks, Since mine is a new car, dont intend to change the batter just for the sake of music. I reckon will stick to music on the move I got my answer. Mods, Kindly do the needful
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11th January 2007, 16:03	#8
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	At low volumes, i think you can easily run for about half an hour with no trouble. At higher volumes i'd say 15 minutes. But be careful. Imagine the scenario. You're with your lady, sitting by the sea, whispering sweet nothings. You play soft romantic music to get her into the mood. And it's your lucky day. The lips meet, the hands explore. The sweetest time flies by accompanied by beautiful songs. Then it's late and she has to go home. And your car doesnt start and she can't steer, so you ask her to push. There goes love, down the toilet. Better to start your car and play music.
	() Thanks

11th January 2007, 16:22	#10
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 502 Times View My Garage	Never try this in your car And you get her all panting by the wrong means. LOL. sam, you are a riot. i have used/been using my ICE for extended periods, say 80-120mins with the engine off. so far sam's scenario has not happened to me. but i would not recommend anyone to try this & curse me for giving false ideas. BTW, i have a DVD player, amp, sub, LCD screen all running at that time & my battery is DIng Dong Amaron. I guess it also depends on the car's running & the battery condition also. If you are driving for extended periods in the night, then your battery is not at full charge, in a petrol engine scenario. On the other hand, if you drive extensively during the day, then your battery is in top charge, just like sam is when he sits in his car under the moonlight. Last edited by esteem_lover : 11th January 2007 at 16:25. Reason: Title
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11th January 2007, 16:58	#11
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,823 Times View My Garage	Battery should have top charge even with headlights and AC on. I have driven 8 hours at night with Headlights(130/110W), AC and ICE system(mp3 player at medium volume). Check the voltage at your battery terminals with Lights and AC on, if it falls below 12.5 there is trouble brewing with your alternator.
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11th January 2007, 17:07	#12
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 502 Times View My Garage	@tsk1979...it will charge, but there will be moments when you are stuck in the traffic with the headlights & AC on, there will be a discharge in petrol engines.
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12th January 2007, 00:11	#15
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 502 Times View My Garage	in idle with ac & headlights on, the ideal position is being neutral, else the battery could get screwed up. i really dont know much about diesels. i had a 118 with nissan diesel engine & it had absolutely no battery hassles, basically because the diesels do not require the battery power when the engine is running, but the petrols always require battery power
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