ICE upgrade gone completely wrong - A frustrating experience! Need help Hey TBHPians,
I have a long frustrating ICE upgrade story to share, so please read with patience and would be great if anyone of you can be of any help to resolve my frustrating/annoying ICE upgrade issue. Part 1 - Good happy times story
I own a Maruti Brezza (2018 top end model with Smart infotainment), and one fine day I decided to go for a ICE upgrade for my Car and gathered all possible information from TBHP forums & online, for a clean ICE upgrade.
Based on discussions/feedback in TBHP forums and few online reviews, I went ahead & purchased the below products
1). Morel Tempo Component Speakers
2). Morel Maximo Coaxial Speakers
3). Sony XM GS6 DSP 5/6 Channel Amplifier.
4). JL Audio 10W0V3-4 10 inch Sub woofer
I wanted to retain my stock HU since I was happy with its connectivity (especially Apple car play & Android Auto) and went ahead with the Installation.
Installation was done from a reputed Installer in Bangalore, everything went smooth & I was happy with the audio output.
After a couple of days I realized the Sony Amp had few limitations, for the DSP to work the Amp had to be setup as a 4.1 (which is 2 channel), and on this setup the Volume gain was very low even at 25-30 volume on my HU.
I got a chance to meet fellow TBHPian Vid6639 (Vidyut) (who by the way is a super cool guy who has good knowledge on this ICE stuff), he had a look at my setup & tried tunning the audio out put but did not make much difference since the stock HU had very limited options (no Equaliser, no Crossovers, no Time alignment).
By this time I had lost patience & decided to change my stok HU & go for a After market HU and a friend of mine was selling his year old Pioneer X8890BT Head Unit, I got this HU installed and wow the audio out put was amazing, absolutely loved it, tight punchy SW bass & good mid bass with excellent vocals... end of the story.
oh no WAIT!!! this is where all the issues started, read on Part 2 - Tragic story without a climax
After installing Pioneer X8890BT Head unit, the next day I noticed that the display had brightness issues, and the reverse parking camera took a good 4-5 secs to show up on the screen, so I decided to return this HU and go for a new Pioneer HU and that is when I purchased a Pioneer Z9190 BT (with Wireless Car Play & Android Screen mirroring & supposedly built in DSP).
The next day I got the new HU installed and started driving back home and it was when that I started hear annoying sound, it is sort of a background echo sound (boomy bass type) that I could hear in any music file I played, it felt as though the speakers are producing sound which it is not supposed to play and inturn spoiling other sound frequencies.
I suspected the issue to be with the Sub woofer and decided to completely turn off / disconnect the SW, but this made no difference and I could still hear the annoying sound which was frustrating hence I went back to my installer and he tried all the possible tuning settings (change EQ, check cross overs, time alignment) but could do nothing and suggested to go back to the stock HU to see if it makes any difference and to ensure that the issue is not with the Pioneer Z9190BT head unit, based on his suggestion I moved back to stock HU but unfortunately the same issue continued where I could still hear the unwanted echo sound (the sound that is produced is very similar to the sound of a empty vessel).
Post this I visited couple of well known Audio installers in Bangalore and they both suggested to go for a new Amp, complete rewiring & and proper dual layer damping, their suggestions suprised me & I decided against it since with the same setup earlier my car audio output was fine. (also both the installer gave very negative feedback about the Sony DSP Amplifier).
After couple of days I again got a chance to meet Vidyut from TBHP and who had a look at the wiring connection to the Sony Amp and suspected this issue could be due to incorrect speaker polarity and we decided to do polarity checks during a weekend, by this time I had completely lost my patience which had turned into a frustration since I had already spent close to 75K (including new HU) for this setup which I was not happy about, more than the money spent I was surprised none of the installers could give a proper solution for this issue, hence I decided to go for a complete rewiring.
I went ahead and met Anwar from Top Gear who said this is a jarring issue and can be fixed, and suggested the below changes for a quote of 25k and I decided to go for it.
- Remove the exiting wiring and install High quality copper wires including Speakers and Amp wiring
- Install high quality RCA cables
- 3 layer damping for all the 5 doors (3rd layer on the door pads)
- Change of Sub woofer box (sealed)
- Polarity checks for all the speakers
Got all the above installation done on July 3rd hoping that finally this would fix the issue which has been bothering me but to my surprise it was a total waste of money and the same issue continued, I could still hear the same annoying echo type sound, Anwar tried tunning the setup but it hardly made any difference.
He then decided to try out another Amp and installed the Flux Neo 75.4 four channel Amplier... guess what it made no difference, the Flux Amp did help in reducing the noise by 10-15% approx when all the crossovers were set on the Amp and not on the HU, but the audio out put was flat, Anwar stressed on repalcing the Amp & add a Monoblock for the SW, I left his place disappointed and the issue continues till this minute.
I absolutely have no clue what to do next, whom to approach next for a permanent solution, I hope one day I will be able to fix this, hope some genius from TBHP will help me
Couple of things to note:-
- When the fader is moved towards the front component speakers (with SW off) the annoying sound/noise is reduced close to 50% but I can still hear it
- The only thing aspect left to be checked is Speakers replacement (replace existing Morels with other brand speakers) which no installer is willing to do since they do not have spare speakers.
PLEASE HELP/SUGGEST
Last edited by Kanasu : 5th July 2019 at 18:43.
|