Is Amp necessary for components??

mobike008 · 2nd May 2007, 13:14

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Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

sorry to ask as you would have mentioned it earlier....what all the stuff you have installed in your car.....HU, amp, speakers, sub...all...with model no....

HU: 6850
Front Comps: Blaukpunkt velocity
Rear: JBL GTO937
AMP: Sony 554 ( 4-channel)
Woofer: JBL 12" basstube ( will install this today or tomm evening)
MonoBloc Amp: JBL CS 300.1 ( Will install this today or tomm evening)
Tweeter: TS20 ( planning to throw them away)

low_bass_makker · 2nd May 2007, 13:34

dont go for the bass tube as you have not done it till now.....go for a sealed box by JBL.......and later on we can discuss it further.....

mobike008 · 2nd May 2007, 14:29

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Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

dont go for the bass tube as you have not done it till now.....go for a sealed box by JBL.......and later on we can discuss it further.....

Man, this is an issue i just dont seem to decide ( basstube or sealed box-JBL 1204B-1000watts)

LBM, please suggest why not the tube and why the sealed box? appreciate your inputs, more the details much better, though i have asked all other gurus too and some suggested tube ( i think revtech uses one and he seems mighty pleased) and some ask to go for sealed box.....and with a lot of deliberations have finally decided on the tube..and you now add a new angle to my already frustrated, torn between the two--life

problem is installers here in hyderabad havent reached to that level that they can give me a demo of both, so i can choose between the two

navin · 2nd May 2007, 16:55

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Originally Posted by mobike008

LBM, please suggest why not the tube and why the sealed box?

I'm not LBM, I'm Bob but here goes anyway.

If you want your bass well defined (tight) get a box, if you want to wake the neighbours (boom) get a tube. Guru LBM will provide the long version. :-)

Sam Kapasi · 2nd May 2007, 18:50

Navin is right. The box is precise, the tube is funnn. Also the tube is decidedly cheaper, so buy whatever you like and can afford.

low_bass_makker · 2nd May 2007, 19:13

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Originally Posted by navin

I'm not LBM, I'm Bob but here goes anyway.

If you want your bass well defined (tight) get a box, if you want to wake the neighbours (boom) get a tube. Guru LBM will provide the long version. :-)

Navin J Sir I am no Guru.....just a hobbiest.......Mobike Navin ji has answered the question with a nice practical answer......

If you like the sub to be musical...then go for box......or if you want to show that you have a loud music setup in your car then bass tube....

One more thing the tube will give you more quantity of sound but the box will give you more quality of sound...

mobike008 · 2nd May 2007, 23:05

Ok, i have decided to take a demo of both and then go for it. Btw, any idea there is a new 12" model in tube called 1200T instead of 1204T. It seems the latter is discontinued. Any idea why and what is the difference of this new model?

Also, if i go for the sealed box, will 1204B ( 1000 watts) mated with CS300.1, will give a good SQ? and the tube and this model of sealed box is only 1K...so price wise it wont matter. Also, i was quoted 1200 bucks for the original JBL wiring from amp to HU, forget the name of the cord, is it ok?

will keep you posted after the install

Sam Kapasi · 2nd May 2007, 23:12

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Originally Posted by mobike008

Ok, i have decided to take a demo of both and then go for it. Btw, any idea there is a new 12" model in tube called 1200T instead of 1204T. It seems the latter is discontinued.

incorrect information. There is no CS1200T, the 1204T is the only 12" bass tube. There is a CS1004T, this is a 10" tube.

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Also, if i go for the sealed box, will 1204B ( 1000 watts) mated with CS300.1, will give a good SQ? and the tube and this model of sealed box is only 1K...so price wise it wont matter.

I think you mean the price difference is 1K. The tube MRP is 6500 and the Sealed box 1204T is 7990. That makes a difference of 1.5K. If you seek SQ, the CS300.1 with a CS1204B is a better bet. However in this case, it might be a better idea to go for the GTO301.1. More power. Better SQ.

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Also, i was quoted 1200 bucks for the original JBL wiring from amp to HU, forget the name of the cord, is it ok?

This is probably fake.

mobike008 · 2nd May 2007, 23:27

Thanks sam, i did see the box this evening myself, maybe i got the model number wrong, let me find out tomorrow...dont know if it can be fake, if it is then its pretty blatant about it

also i saw a catalogue which said 1204B is 7490, it was a jbl catalogue..black in color, i mean the catalogue...i am not sure this dude is dealing in fake stuff..though he called himself authorized jbl dealer..car sonics on minister road.

how much is 301.1?

I better stay away from this fella, will go to the one where i decided to install..i was just doing some comparo as there are many shops in one single street.

Sam Kapasi · 3rd May 2007, 00:03

OK let me help you, to make sure you are not cheated.

The CS1200T was the old tube, discontinued in early 2006. This was a lower powered tube. It is distinguishable by the older GT3 woofer inside and the JBL is screen printed on the tube.

If he has this, it is old stock.

The new, current tube is the CS1204T, it has a GT4 woofer inside and is higher powered. It is clearly distinguishable from the woofer and the JBL logo is machine embroidered on the tube.

This is current.

The older boxes are distinguishable by the aluminium checquered plate on the sides. These are also discontinued.

If he has this, it is old stock.

The current sealed box is the CS1204B and the recent catalogue says 7990/-

Apart from this there are Bass reflex boxes (GTO1204BR) and Band pass boxes (GTO1204BP and GTO1204BP-D) but these are more expensive.

mobike008 · 3rd May 2007, 10:06

Sam, your a life saviour

He was showing me the old models and trying to pass them off to me as newly released. I saw the woofer with JBL logo in red and the sealed box was also the old one with the steel panel on the sides. omigosh, that was a close shave, i was almost about to get it installed last evening.

Now, i know what is new and what is old, will stick to my guns, thanks a bunch again for your help

navin · 3rd May 2007, 13:03

Sam does not the 301.1 have a better (higner) damping facotr (along with more watts) than the 300.1?

mobike008 · 3rd May 2007, 13:07

GTO301.1 has 204RMS at 4 ohms and CS300.1 delivers 200RMS at 4 ohms. Sounds like mariginal difference, Sam would know what this difference could mean.

navin · 3rd May 2007, 13:19

Are you sure. I thought the 300.1 was 150W/4 ohms.

mobike008 · 3rd May 2007, 13:21

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Originally Posted by navin

Are you sure. I thought the 300.1 was 150W/4 ohms.

Yup sure. Atleast thats what the JBL website says. The fxaudio one !!!

2nd May 2007, 13:34	#17
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,815 Thanked: 305 Times View My Garage	dont go for the bass tube as you have not done it till now.....go for a sealed box by JBL.......and later on we can discuss it further.....
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2nd May 2007, 18:50	#20
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	Navin is right. The box is precise, the tube is funnn. Also the tube is decidedly cheaper, so buy whatever you like and can afford.
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2nd May 2007, 23:05	#22
mobike008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 11,695 Thanked: 14,783 Times View My Garage	Ok, i have decided to take a demo of both and then go for it. Btw, any idea there is a new 12" model in tube called 1200T instead of 1204T. It seems the latter is discontinued. Any idea why and what is the difference of this new model? Also, if i go for the sealed box, will 1204B ( 1000 watts) mated with CS300.1, will give a good SQ? and the tube and this model of sealed box is only 1K...so price wise it wont matter. Also, i was quoted 1200 bucks for the original JBL wiring from amp to HU, forget the name of the cord, is it ok? will keep you posted after the install
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2nd May 2007, 23:27	#24
mobike008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 11,695 Thanked: 14,783 Times View My Garage	Thanks sam, i did see the box this evening myself, maybe i got the model number wrong, let me find out tomorrow...dont know if it can be fake, if it is then its pretty blatant about it also i saw a catalogue which said 1204B is 7490, it was a jbl catalogue..black in color, i mean the catalogue...i am not sure this dude is dealing in fake stuff..though he called himself authorized jbl dealer..car sonics on minister road. how much is 301.1? I better stay away from this fella, will go to the one where i decided to install..i was just doing some comparo as there are many shops in one single street.
	() Thanks

3rd May 2007, 00:03	#25
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	OK let me help you, to make sure you are not cheated. The CS1200T was the old tube, discontinued in early 2006. This was a lower powered tube. It is distinguishable by the older GT3 woofer inside and the JBL is screen printed on the tube. If he has this, it is old stock. The new, current tube is the CS1204T, it has a GT4 woofer inside and is higher powered. It is clearly distinguishable from the woofer and the JBL logo is machine embroidered on the tube. This is current. The older boxes are distinguishable by the aluminium checquered plate on the sides. These are also discontinued. If he has this, it is old stock. The current sealed box is the CS1204B and the recent catalogue says 7990/- Apart from this there are Bass reflex boxes (GTO1204BR) and Band pass boxes (GTO1204BP and GTO1204BP-D) but these are more expensive.
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3rd May 2007, 10:06	#26
mobike008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 11,695 Thanked: 14,783 Times View My Garage	Sam, your a life saviour He was showing me the old models and trying to pass them off to me as newly released. I saw the woofer with JBL logo in red and the sealed box was also the old one with the steel panel on the sides. omigosh, that was a close shave, i was almost about to get it installed last evening. Now, i know what is new and what is old, will stick to my guns, thanks a bunch again for your help
	() Thanks

3rd May 2007, 13:03	#27
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,176 Thanked: 9,264 Times	Sam does not the 301.1 have a better (higner) damping facotr (along with more watts) than the 300.1?
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3rd May 2007, 13:07	#28
mobike008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 11,695 Thanked: 14,783 Times View My Garage	GTO301.1 has 204RMS at 4 ohms and CS300.1 delivers 200RMS at 4 ohms. Sounds like mariginal difference, Sam would know what this difference could mean.
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3rd May 2007, 13:19	#29
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,176 Thanked: 9,264 Times	Are you sure. I thought the 300.1 was 150W/4 ohms.
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